Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Scoobings

04.20.2012 , 10:47 AM \| #221	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LordbishopX No theory actual practice what to look for and when to counter period.... A clean duel where both players have all their Cooldowns up almost never happens. It's an interesting mental excercise, but I don't usually engage in theory crafting like that because people try to use it as an example of "X class being OP" and that's stupid because it almost never plays out that way in an actual WZ. That's why WZs are interesting, they're about resourcefulness and not flow charts.
- Kaeljen, 50 Powertech - Mal'Shek, 50 Juggernaut - Adien, 50 Assassin - Jest, 50 Sniper - Kijaar, 15 Sentinel

Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 10:47 AM \| #222	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica For some point of reference, I do 9600 damage in one Force Lighting with power adrenal + relic + reckless + 3 charges on the WZ training dummy. I don't know if that's a lot or not since I don't know what the level of mitigation is on that dummy, but it's a constant point of reference. Feel free to post your numbers against the same dummy. If people can regularly hit it fo 10K then Force Lightning isn't overpowered. Ummm, the damage alone is no big deal. That you'e being healed for 9% of your life at the same time... well, that changes the metrics a little doesn't it? ~1500 heal, plus just being in combat stance alone gives your attacks a chance to heal every 4.5 seconds (3 seconds when the CD is blown, on top of the 10% instant heal when blowing the CD).

Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 10:49 AM \| #223	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair FINALLY PROOF THESE PEOPLE ARE CLUELESS Please do detail how you interrupt Powertech Tracer Missiles. I'd love to hear your counter. While we are at it... lets actually counter the right class with Railshot/Flame burst etc etc. Assassins and Shadows are easy to counter. Soft Counters: 1) CC their TKT/Shock 2) Staying out of melee decreases their burst, and after 15M you limit them to practically nothing but CC and tickle dps. 3) Snare 4) Root 5) DoT to prevent Vanish Hard Counters: Sorc DPS Powertech DPS Operative DPS A Sorc should EASILY be able to outkite. And there LMFAO Only a non-good Tankassin can't absolutely manhandle a DPS sage/sorc.

Zintair

04.20.2012 , 10:51 AM \| #224	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Krytycal Nothing can hard-counter a sin tank in a 1vs1. I know this because I play one. Maybe a l2p issue on your side? Where did I ever say 1v1? When does Balance in an MMO EVER have to do with 1v1? Your forum posts are almost as non-factor as you in WZs on my server. Your LOL Shocks for 3-4k are a joke.
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Astarica

04.20.2012 , 10:51 AM \| #225	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Astakhan Ummm, the damage alone is no big deal. That you'e being healed for 9% of your life at the same time... well, that changes the metrics a little doesn't it? ~1500 heal, plus just being in combat stance alone gives your attacks a chance to heal every 4.5 seconds (3 seconds when the CD is blown, on top of the 10% instant heal when blowing the CD). It's 12% of your life (FL ticks 4 times at 3% heal per tick). I think the heal part on FL is overrated because it takes a lot to set up 3 stacks. Killing your enemy stops 100% of his DPS anyway, so I'm far more interested in the offensive capability of the attack than the defensive.

Kovaos

04.20.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #226	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LordbishopX QFT I think yall need nerfing /joke I hate good kiters thank goodness most don't and just take it to the face lol Yeah that's a huge underlying issue for most ranged classes. I don't know why but they feel they need to stand in place and let the auto aim or whatever it is move them around in circles.
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Krytycal

04.20.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #227	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LordbishopX I play one and can counter them all day oh well on my other classes to boot.... Don't let that confuse you though, I kill sin tanks all day erryday on my other classes too. It doesn't mean you're hard-countering them. Maybe you're just a better player. In the almost 70 ranks worth of PvP my sin has I've yet to come across a player that can hard-counter me in a 1vs1.
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Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #228	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair Sorcs can. You lose. How? You have snare, force pull, stuns, stealth, vanish AND the one thing that would help us accomplish this, force speed. We can ae knockback, lol, you have immunity up. We can lift, lol, you have immunity up. We can stun, lol, now we have no counter for your uninerrubtle lightning that heals you for 9%. We can, every 9 seconds, root you for 2 seconds. While we are perma-snared. Stop diluting the argument with fabrications.

Scoobings

04.20.2012 , 10:53 AM \| #229	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Astakhan Ummm, the damage alone is no big deal. That you'e being healed for 9% of your life at the same time... well, that changes the metrics a little doesn't it? ~1500 heal, plus just being in combat stance alone gives your attacks a chance to heal every 4.5 seconds (3 seconds when the CD is blown, on top of the 10% instant heal when blowing the CD). You also need to be fair though: They need a proc for that lightning to be uninterruptable. They can't just spam that whenever. It's definitely solid when it happens, but I'm not sure if that actually pushes it into OP or not yet. I don't actually have that talent on my Assassin yet so I'm not sure. Definitely good but I'm not sure I'd say broken or even OP.
- Kaeljen, 50 Powertech - Mal'Shek, 50 Juggernaut - Adien, 50 Assassin - Jest, 50 Sniper - Kijaar, 15 Sentinel

Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 10:53 AM \| #230	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Krytycal Don't let that confuse you though, I kill sin tanks all day erryday on my other classes too. It doesn't mean you're hard-countering them. Maybe you're just a better player. In the almost 70 ranks worth of PvP my sin has I've yet to come across a player that can hard-counter me in a 1vs1. Thank you for being honest. Seriously.

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