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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Astarica
04.20.2012 , 10:27 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Yeah I mean we are hard to kite. Not impossible but hard. A good trooper could keep me at bay he will have to hit me with stun when I try to force speed to him, he runs away to start his rotation up. Now if I dont have my pull ready ill just have to cloak out of thats up. If I have cloak, or pull up yeah you are not kiting me.
Seriously, someone traded a stun for Force Speed and you're complaining?

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Wassawp
04.20.2012 , 10:32 AM | #202
I went from lethality sniper to shadow tank, and the shadow tank is pretty far from dealing as much damages as a pure dps class.

Oh yeah , they got good survivability, good damages and all... But as a simple example : usually when i pops a 5s CD like resilience, ppl continue to attack me blindly instead of just putting a stun or kitting me until it wears off.

And it's just an example out of many situations where ppl using their brain would be much more effective than spamming attacks blindly. when he's out of def CDs , the shadow tank's survivability is far from being great.

You just die like anyone else. Yes you can stealth escape when you're about to die, but it's not like you're able to be back in the fight in 4 seconds with a full healthbar. ( besides the escape skill is on a 2mn CD, so you just can't escape whenever you want)

Shadows/Sins are not ruining PvP... Clueless people are...

But hey! l QQ will prevail , as always., so why even bother...

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DarthOvertone
04.20.2012 , 10:32 AM | #203
All this QQ about Shadows is just cute.

Please continue crying a river.
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cycao
04.20.2012 , 10:32 AM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
Seriously, someone traded a stun for Force Speed and you're complaining?
how did you get a complaint out of that. I was just throwing out a situation that seems to happen from time to time. I hit force speed and sometimes I will get stunned. Sometimes I dont have my pull up (crazy I know). If I have all my tools you are not kiting me. I like how people pull complaints out of nothing on these forums.

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Zintair
04.20.2012 , 10:34 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Astakhan View Post
Because while the two classes you mentioned are indeed overpowered, there are counters to them.

I can giggle with delight while interrupting tracer missles. I can somewhat counter a Marauder with force slow / speed, 2 second root, etc, etc.. I have no counter for a Tank Assassin (again, i don't want to forget this caveat, that is well played and in DPS gear).
FINALLY PROOF THESE PEOPLE ARE CLUELESS


Please do detail how you interrupt Powertech Tracer Missiles. I'd love to hear your counter. While we are at it... lets actually counter the right class with Railshot/Flame burst etc etc.


Assassins and Shadows are easy to counter.

Soft Counters:
1) CC their TKT/Shock
2) Staying out of melee decreases their burst, and after 15M you limit them to practically nothing but CC and tickle dps.
3) Snare
4) Root
5) DoT to prevent Vanish

Hard Counters:
Sorc DPS
Powertech DPS
Operative DPS


A Sorc should EASILY be able to outkite. And there
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Astarica
04.20.2012 , 10:34 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
how did you get a complaint out of that. I was just throwing out a situation that seems to happen from time to time. I hit force speed and sometimes I will get stunned. Sometimes I dont have my pull up (crazy I know). If I have all my tools you are not kiting me. I like how people pull complaints out of nothing on these forums.
Usually when people talking about a matchup they don't assume a class is at a CD deficit. Every cooldown you could use to close the gap has a shorter recast time than the generic stun.

If Force Shroud is down, a lot of classes have a good chance at defeating us, but with a 45s refresh, that's not going to happen very often.

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Scoobings
04.20.2012 , 10:36 AM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Wassawp View Post
I went from lethality sniper to shadow tank, and the shadow tank is pretty far from dealing as much damages as a pure dps class.

Oh yeah , they got good survivability, good damages and all... But as a simple example : usually when i pops a 5s CD like resilience, ppl continue to attack me blindly instead of just putting a stun or kitting me until it wears off.

And it's just an example out of many situations where ppl using their brain would be much more effective than spamming attacks blindly. when he's out of def CDs , the shadow tank's survivability is far from being great.

You just die like anyone else. Yes you can stealth escape when you're about to die, but it's not like you're able to be back in the fight in 4 seconds with a full healthbar. ( besides the escape skill is on a 2mn CD, so you just can't escape whenever you want)

Shadows/Sins are not ruining PvP... Clueless people are...

But hey! l QQ will prevail , as always., so why even bother...
I'm not saying that their sustained damage is a problem. I'm saying it's the burst that, in my personal opinion, is out of line with other tank classes. The game isn't balanced around 1v1 so I don't mind that they are superior duelers, I just think that BW should look carefully at the burst that they can unleash compared to other tanks and bring it in line.

I agree with you though, it's certainly no where near game breaking. I just don't like how the spec is *so* good that it's really the only go to spec for Assassins. It would be nice to see some more viability in their other trees, in addition to tuning down tank burst a little bit. Maybe giving them a little more sustained damage.
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Zintair
04.20.2012 , 10:37 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Scoobings View Post
You're avoiding my question.

I'm not saying that Assassins are OP and I'm not neccesarily hopping on the "Nerf assassin train" but don't pretend like "Just kite me" is an option. There's so many reasons why that's a broken arguement and the fact that you can't answer my question is just proving that.

What class kites you? That's all I want to know.
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LordbishopX
04.20.2012 , 10:38 AM | #209
This guy says say what? http://s1256.photobucket.com/albums/...2_826377-1.jpg

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Krytycal
04.20.2012 , 10:39 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair View Post
FINALLY PROOF THESE PEOPLE ARE CLUELESS


Please do detail how you interrupt Powertech Tracer Missiles. I'd love to hear your counter. While we are at it... lets actually counter the right class with Railshot/Flame burst etc etc.


Assassins and Shadows are easy to counter.

Soft Counters:
1) CC their TKT/Shock
2) Staying out of melee decreases their burst, and after 15M you limit them to practically nothing but CC and tickle dps.
3) Snare
4) Root
5) DoT to prevent Vanish

Hard Counters:
Sorc DPS
Powertech DPS
Operative DPS


A Sorc should EASILY be able to outkite. And there
Nothing can hard-counter a sin tank in a 1vs1. I know this because I play one. Maybe a l2p issue on your side?
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