Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

crap BONUS damage is reduced by 5%. dont mislead people. and chain shocks crits for 4k+2k are not so rare to my non-full-bm-geared tankasin wearing stalker's dps set.

The damage I suggested was 2k which is the highest i've seen a shadow do on me, now you're saying you've never seen it go over 3k. Again it's a channeled skill that ticks 4 times.
So basically you're saying it's possible to do more than what i've seen, you insinuate that it's only do-able with dps gears and not tank gears. And you're saying some pointless stuff about if you were to use full adrenals + relics.
how about you go back to swtor, and grind your class until you're decent enough to talk, you're just arguing with yourself right now
EDIT: And then you edit your post talking pointless sh*t about project when im talking about t.throw.
jesus christ, get better.

Among the current FotMs, Tank Assassins (and their mirrors) are undoubtedly the grossest imbalance.

Yet unlike Marauders with their insane damage or Powertechs with their crazy burst, Tank Assassins actually break the game to an extent.

Why may you ask is a tank Assassin game-breaking?

1. They beat any class in a 1v1, most of the time it's not even close.

2. That means you have to commit at least 2 players towards taking a node guarded by a tank Assassin. But even with 2 players the Assassin will survive long enough for reinforcements to arrive before a cap. 3 Players are enough to ensure a rapid kill, if the Assassin doesn't opt to vanish in order to prolong the fight.

3. They also have Stealth, meaning more often than not, there'll be an extra Assassin hiding in the shadows which would also need to be killed.

There''s just no feasible counter to that class aside from committing half your team towards finishing them off. If the enemy team has multiple tank Assassins....well good luck with anything.

4. They make the best ball carriers against good players (bad players get charged by Juggers), able to speed through fire while taking negligible damage, their Stealth allows them to wait anywhere and their survivability ensures that by the time they get near the enemy goal-line, their resolve bar will be full, making them immune to any CC.

5. Should for some reason a group of Assassins tanks ever find itself on the defensive, no problem. Just pull that pesky ball carrier into the nearest fire and lol as you grab the ball for a quick counter.

6. Mentioning Guard and all the other crap they have just seems unnecessary at this point.

While (most) other classes have to make choices, Tank Assassins have it all.

/rant

The only thing I'm comparing is the damage of tanks vs the damage of dps specs, regardless of class. I don't think there's an imbalance at all, since tanks are doing literally half the damage of dps specs. People in these nerf threads all pull out these exaggerations about how Assassin tanks are 'doing the damage of a dps class' when that clearly isn't the case.

All damage isn't the same, that's one of the points I myself have made before in threads like this. When people post those screenshots of some tank Assassin putting up big total numbers, most of that comes from splash damage from Wither. A full tank spec Assassin has some of the lowest burst in the game.

What I find interesting is you advocate for a nerf on Wither and Harnessed Shadows (with no reason as to why), then post that your superior spec uses neither talent. What you posted was an Infiltration spec that sacrifices the top end talents to be able to run Combat Technique and to pick up some mid range Kinetic talents. The only thing it accomplishes as far as I can see is you're picking up a slightly faster mez (15 second Low Slash vs 20 second Spinning Kick - thanks to that nice Survivor 2pc bonus), a slightly faster Mind Snap and a cheaper Project, which is where all your damage has to come from since you don't have the shadow technique Breach. For that you're giving up the pull, AoE snare and self healing. If it works for you, more power to you but how does that spec justify a nerf to actual Tank Assassins?

I'm a shadow,
I use the infiltration spec, but have dabbled in the tank spec as well. I would like to clear up some of your griefs.

1. We do not beat every class 1v1. There are good and bad players, good shadow/sin vs. a player and sure shadows/sins will win. But good vs. good it's all about who were going up against. Personally, I can kill jug/maras, but always get killed by operatives/scoundrels. Versus bounty hunters and troopers it's usually fifty fifty.

Generally, if the other class has a healing ability the shadow/sin will loose. As they will just out heal our damage output untill we run out of energy.

2. Your kinda stupid if you don't commit at least two people to stealth and attack the other door in void star. Usually you need three with one running blocker and two beating up the guards. And always expect stealth classes. Not just sins/shadows. But operatives/ scoundrels as well.

3. Always expect stealth classes. Countering them is all about tactics. After our openers our dps abilities are negligible. Sins/shadows are not the only stealth class. If you spec I to it jugs/maras and the rep counter parts also have some stealth ability.

4. Each class has their own strength in huttball. Or all the matches for that matter. Your reaction to sins being overpowered though is just QQ. I can't carry the ball for ****. Unless I have a personal guard, a pocket healer and sage/sorc. Bubble to protect me from the fire. Can't run through fire by yourself if your a sin/shadow.

5. We don't have pull. Those are sorcs or sages. Or power tecs or vanguards.

6. We only have guard if we have a combat ability active. And generally only tank shadows use it. A lot of class have guard. Just don't hit the guarded player. It's basic tactics.


As for our dps output. I am speced 8-31-0. For pure dps. I have full BM and 16k health. I'm probably the squishiest player in any Warzone match. Usually only get 150-190k damage. That's it. Good matches when I have a guildie healing me I can get upwards of 250k. Only ever got over 300k once. And that was because I have being guarded and pocket healed the whole match.

Sins/shadows are not omnipotent. We are actually very squishy. We are a harasser class, that's about it.

in hutball they kick asses