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Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

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Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:46 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by dazednconfuzed View Post
To an extent I can agree with this, but there really is no fun being a fresh lvl 50 with no real PvP gear walking into a warzone. All that happens is you repeatedly get your *** handed to you by better geared players, and that just puts people off continuing to PvP.

In time that leads to fewer people doing PvP, and the PvP side to the game going downhill.

Keeping things more balanced between new PvP'ers and old PvP'ers not only provides for more competition in a match (and more fun), but is less likely to drive away players who simply can't be arsed with everyone facerolling over them while they try to get some gear so they have a marginal chance.
I know what youre saying because as a first time MMO player, i experienced this frustration a month ago. I took my beatings, but kept on trucking. Its hard, i know it is, but to expect something without earning it when other people went through the same process as you (generalization), but harder (comparing to 1.2 PvP progression now) is selfish in my opinion. Youre a paying customer, but so am i. Your $15 = my $15.

I believe BW has been trying to compensate new PvPers with the new 1.2 system. I really dont know how much easier they can make it besides making it free,

-fuzz

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Superdonk
04.19.2012 , 09:48 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
With respect, then it sounds like you are burnt out on MMO's. There are still many people who like the grind (for whatever it is) and want to continue doing so.

Truthfully, I suppose it comes down to how one defines fun, and no one will be able to agree or disagree on it. For me, if pvp becomes too simple, like Gears of War or Halo (I exclude COD, as they seem to have a level progression in that now.) then I wonder why I don't go play one of those games. I believe the MMO genre is generally for those who want to commit some time and thought to their game

But that is my definition of fun, and I won't assume it's everyone's.
You're probably right. I'm not burnt out of MMO's gameplay, I'm just burned out of everything else about MMO's, namely the fetch and kill questing and the gear grind.

When your back to alt-tabing to play TF2 or forum PVP, it's time to move on.

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richardya
04.19.2012 , 09:49 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
Oh no, someone has 2% more HP then me so I lose every game. So unfair.
This ^

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dazednconfuzed
04.19.2012 , 09:49 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzDONTEVENTRIP View Post
To answer your COD question (my team was nationally ranked in COD4 and BO so i have some experience) they made a pro-mod which disabled all but certain perks, guns and attachments. Everyone had the same gear available to them and each team was limited to 1 sniper. Even after that was in place, we would still find roofs to jump on, roofs to jump off (cod4 mp_crash 3 story building, remember it?) and not take any damage at all. Or jump over a wall that you couldnt jump over. All of that was legal because it was available to both teams and ALL players.

Yes but thats the real world. With league rules and parameters. There are many restrictions involved. You cant compare any of that to competing in a video game. Your environment is designed by other humans, in a virtual world. There are going to be flaws about your environment that you can use to benefit you and your team. What we, who have more time on our hands, have access to, so do people with less time on their hands. It will just take them longer to obtain.

-fuzz
Actually, I never really got into CoD, so I have no idea what you mean by 'cod4 mp_crash 3 story building', sorry.

And jumping over a wall that you can't jump over is actually impossible. If you can find a way over it, then kudos to you, you just jumped over a wall you could jump over. You may have needed to climb up a collection of very unlikely items to get there, but get there you could. That is clever playing, not exploiting.

And sure, all players technically have access to it, but there will be a big difference in ability between a newcomer to that map, and someone who has played on that map repeatedly over the past year, or whatever. Just because you know all the little tricks to win, doesn't mean everyone does.

I think this is a bit of a problem in most sports these days... No sense of sportsmanship.
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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:49 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Jederix View Post
Except, you aren't a PvPer either. Real PvPers are after a skill based fight where the only thing that matters is skill. Anyone crying about gear and progression in PvP have no place in PvP, if you ask me.
Damn, i guess im not

-fuzz

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MinguesDew
04.19.2012 , 09:52 AM | #186
PvP gear HAS to become easier to get as a game ages otherwise new players a) get steamrolled way too fast and cry nerf all over the forums b) are the recipients of open hostility from teammates who know they are severely handicapped by having them around.

Not speeding up PvP gear acquisition would be like buffing the entry level PvE content to the point that new players don't get invited to groups and can't complete content in a group of new players.

Narrowing the gap in PvP gear stats and time invested is a smart move for the overall health of the game, you still have your gear, don't worry about what the other guy has. You're like the first bratty toddler to the toy box, thinking all the toys are yours because you got there first, grow up.

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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:52 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by dazednconfuzed View Post
And sure, all players technically have access to it, but there will be a big difference in ability between a newcomer to that map, and someone who has played on that map repeatedly over the past year, or whatever. Just because you know all the little tricks to win, doesn't mean everyone does.

I think this is a bit of a problem in most sports these days... No sense of sportsmanship.
Well thats similar to playing SWTOR. You play more and more and have access to better gear just like in COD you play more and more and have more knowledge of different jumps, spams, nade spots, then new people do. Thats just part of gaming. With time you learn the game and get rewarded with it whether its knowledge of maps (like Civil War, jumping over the wall from left to mid (all though this is a crummy example)) or just getting WZ comms

-fuzz

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dazednconfuzed
04.19.2012 , 09:54 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
IN COD YOU CAN SHOOT THROUGH WALLS... shhhh don't tell anyone. THAT IS NOT A CHEAT.

Now using an aimbot to get 100% accuracy and shoot everyone through every wall at any distance is a cheat. That is different.
You are not supposed to be able to shoot through walls though. That is why it is an exploit and cheating.

As for your 'glass jaw' analogy, that isn't really exploiting anything. That is a natural weakness your opponent has. By all means take advantage of it. Kind of like the grenades you mentioned. Blowing up a bunch of people because they repeatedly run into your greandes isn't exploiting anything. That is taking advantage of a weak opponent.

I suppose you could liken it to new level 50s who don't have the gear yet. Their lack of gear is their glass jaw. Still, it sucks to be them and die repeatedly simply because someone has better gear than they do.
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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:57 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by dazednconfuzed View Post
You are not supposed to be able to shoot through walls though. That is why it is an exploit and cheating.
Actually its not cheating. Cheating is being able to SEE through the walls. Just shooting at it and killing them just takes knowledge of the game. Using your sound to your advantage and map awareness. The person on the opposite side of the wall has just as much access to shoot you as you do him because the wall doesnt discrimnate "hey youre a terrorist, youre not allowed to shoot through me but hey, counter-terrorist, GO FOR IT!". Being able to see through walls provides a definitive advantage for one player while placing the other player(s) at an obvious disadvantage

-fuzz

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DarkDruidSS
04.19.2012 , 09:58 AM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by dazednconfuzed View Post
You are not supposed to be able to shoot through walls though. That is why it is an exploit and cheating.

As for your 'glass jaw' analogy, that isn't really exploiting anything. That is a natural weakness your opponent has. By all means take advantage of it. Kind of like the grenades you mentioned. Blowing up a bunch of people because they repeatedly run into your greandes isn't exploiting anything. That is taking advantage of a weak opponent.

I suppose you could liken it to new level 50s who don't have the gear yet. Their lack of gear is their glass jaw. Still, it sucks to be them and die repeatedly simply because someone has better gear than they do.
I'm sorry. You admitted that you didn't get into COD much, so i will be easy on you. Load any game after COD3... so Modern Warfare and up to current . You can infact shoot through walls. Specific walls. You can even unlock bullets that penetrate walls better called Full Metal Jackets... FMJs. Most walls can be penetrated with FMJs.

Shooting through walls in a known camper location is smart, not cheating. Fuzz was talking about exploiting campers that suck because that is all they can do... not cheating.
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