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Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

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Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 07:52 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
Using logical fallacies to make your argument suggests that you may be the one who is in this "candyland".

I'm going to break this down for you one time, and one time only. If you fail to perceive the truth of the matter that is on you. Here you go:

Character = Class + Stats + Gear + Abilities
Player = Skill
These statements above reflect the separation of powers. The only aspect of you that is reflected in game is your Skill.
Ergo, Player versus Player = Skill versus Skill
The moment any of the other aspects come into the formula you no longer have player versus player.
I.E. Abilities + Skill versus Abilities + Skill is Character versus Character as your skill is no longer the only determination of victory.
As you add more Character functions into the equation, player skill becomes even less of a determining factor.

My perception here is that you don't like PvP, you like CvC. There is nothing wrong with that as the two are completely different meta games (it's like preferring chocolate over vanilla and strawberry) However, when you proceed to name-calling, belittling, or denigrating actual PvPers when they point out that what you like is not what they like and further insult them by taking their correct term and incorrectly applying it to your favored meta game, you cross the line.
Apparently i am wrong then. Then i am sorry good sir. What i do is play to win. If im not winning, im not having fun. This probably comes across in my post. I have been a high level competitive FPS gamer since pre-steam CS (although i was no where near 3D, SK and those teams). I dont bother with small facts as the ones you have provided me. I am sure you are right about what you have said because, to be honest, the difference means nothing to me. I play to win. I was given a game that i signed up for. I took it in and paid my dues in grinding to lvl50 not knowing anything. Took my lumps as a fresh 50 not knowing anything. Learned, adapted and changed everything i needed to. Arrogant to say, but i am now one of the best AC on my faction and this is my first MMO (2 months played). Addictive personality and a compulsive need to win = success in SWTOR.

Now i come to the foums where i see people complaining about a system that someone like me can so easily adapt to when i have even played an MMO before... Why does everything have to be tailored to you guys? The game is fine the way it is. Its SWTOR, not some other game you guys are trying to make it into. If you dont like it, no one is forcing you to keep paying. Hell, if it changed to what everyone is suggesting with the NO PVP GEAR, id unsub. No one would care, and i wouldnt expect anyone to either. Just would be pathetic of BW to cater to everyones demands and turn SWTOR into a different game

-fuzz

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JustinxDuff
04.19.2012 , 07:52 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
Everyone has the same opportunity to get gear. It is no ones fault but theirs if they choose not to get it.
Exactly, and this is how it should be. Everyone has the same ability to get gear now and it results in an even playing field. OP just wants his handicap back.
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Razuache
04.19.2012 , 07:52 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Kanana View Post
You should be able to defeat a fresh 50 because of your experience and skill, not because of some gear advantage. This is PvP, not PvE. Ideally, all would have the same gear, allowing for fair matches.
Thank you ! 100% right to many noobs who rely on gear

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Smilingdeath
04.19.2012 , 07:53 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by schippo View Post
I freaking hate this gear system.

People hit 50 and 3 days later have full battlemaster. What's the sense in being equal to a fresh 50 when I've busted my *** getting valor lvl 75?

I'd love to see 60 valor required for BM and 70 for war hero gear, seems fair to me.

edit: just thought i'd put my thoughts out there, kthx.
You are going to be mad at me, I have a Level 34 shadow , and I already have the BM top and bottom ( cant wear it yet, but by the time I reach 50 ill have my full BM gear).

plus I love the new legacy system since i have all the buffs for all the classes on my shadow.
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Jalez
04.19.2012 , 07:54 AM | #65
I have to lol at this, Dark Age of Camelot which arguably has the best PVP of any MMORPG ever made has NO gear progression. In DAoC yes gear matters, but its easy to get templated max stats and resists through crafters and Pve gear. You dont have to grind for gear, you just go out and do the "realm rank grind" which means in DAoC PvP you "progress" your character by gaining realm rank and earning cool new abilities and spells etc...

This makes DAoC highly competitive, to the point of its players being called "hardcore PvP'rs", since 85% of any group/guild you fight in DAoC will have maxed stats and resists, just like your guild does.....which means the PvP fights in DAoC rely on SKILL and SKILL alone to win fights

In DAoC there are no players like "Fuzz", since they get roflstomped right out of the game by more skillful players

Gear progression is for PVE, get it outta MMo PVP

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alanisUDL
04.19.2012 , 07:56 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by mjohnsonfhk View Post
It is fair. There is nothing preventing you from getting the same gear i have except for time spent.
Not everyone has the same amount of "time" available. Therefore, it's not an even playing field. Casuals pay the same amount as those that play this game like a job. We should all want this game to succeed and have as many people PvPing as possible. The only people that really "lose out" when you have no/minimal gear gaps are those that feel that they require this gap to win.
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khalfani
04.19.2012 , 07:56 AM | #67
I don't understand why Bioware changed Battle Master in the first place. The old system was fine - all they had to do was add a quitter debuff and make sure the WZs shut down if the teams were imbalanced.

Making Battle Master trivial to get was a very bad move. Also, getting rid of the Champ and Centurion sets and replacing it with the very garbage recruit set was an even worse move. It makes getting Battle Master no big deal - which defeated a whole lot of people's time invested in *key phrase* such a short amount of time. Why make something so hard to get, then negate it's importance so abruptly?
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DarkDruidSS
04.19.2012 , 07:57 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Jalez View Post
I have to lol at this, Dark Age of Camelot which arguably has the best PVP of any MMORPG ever made has NO gear progression. In DAoC yes gear matters, but its easy to get templated max stats and resists through crafters and Pve gear. You dont have to grind for gear, you just go out and do the "realm rank grind" which means in DAoC PvP you "progress" your character by gaining realm rank and earning cool new abilities and spells etc...

This makes DAoC highly competitive, to the point of its players being called "hardcore PvP'rs", since 85% of any group/guild you fight in DAoC will have maxed stats and resists, just like your guild does.....which means the PvP fights in DAoC rely on SKILL and SKILL alone to win fights

In DAoC there are no players like "Fuzz", since they get roflstomped right out of the game by more skillful players

Gear progression is for PVE, get it outta MMo PVP
They are going to ninja mod me again for this since I already proved that DAoC has progression. But you are wrong and DAoC has progression with realm ranks/abilities and artifacts. You being RR12 means you don't know the first thing about DAoC really.


-edit-
OH, nevermind you are a late DAOC player. DAoC used to have more than RR12. I seem to remember it going up to 85 when i was playing Vanguard.
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LarryRow
04.19.2012 , 07:57 AM | #69
Guys, the OP isn't arguing for a gear advantage. He's just saying that it's unfair/irritating that he had to put in so much more playtime to get his good pvp gear compared to the new players. He's sort of correct; in a sense it is unfair.

However, look at this way OP: you got to enjoy the game, especially the endgame, for a lot longer than a fresh 50. That's an advantage of fun. You've also had more practice and experience in the 50 bracket.

Also, an MMO needs to make the endgame accessible to new players or it won't get any. Do you want to play a game where no new players join?

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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 07:58 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Jalez View Post
I have to lol at this, Dark Age of Camelot which arguably has the best PVP of any MMORPG ever made has NO gear progression. In DAoC yes gear matters, but its easy to get templated max stats and resists through crafters and Pve gear. You dont have to grind for gear, you just go out and do the "realm rank grind" which means in DAoC PvP you "progress" your character by gaining realm rank and earning cool new abilities and spells etc...

This makes DAoC highly competitive, to the point of its players being called "hardcore PvP'rs", since 85% of any group/guild you fight in DAoC will have maxed stats and resists, just like your guild does.....which means the PvP fights in DAoC rely on SKILL and SKILL alone to win fights

In DAoC there are no players like "Fuzz", since they get roflstomped right out of the game by more skillful players

Gear progression is for PVE, get it outta MMo PVP
But, Jalez, im new to DAoC, shouldnt everyone have the same abilities/spells as me?! It should be skilled based, not spell/ability dependent!

I demand that DAoC now strip all PvPers of their abilties/spells and hand out abilities/spells to everyone and now we can decide who the best is!

-fuzz