The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

You will always get a drop in subs after the first few months.
The problems with SWTOR were school boy errors some one needs sacking and even now after 1.2 they still not being addressed.
More content is no good if you cant access it.
The populations need to be increased merge servers increase population sizes on servers.
How many times do we need to ask for a LFT system. I have spent hours waiting and advertising for a team to do FP's untill I am so bored of the game and even cleaning my house seems like fun..
Only 3 warzones what were they thinking.
SW has a loyal fan base so the game can survive just need some practical patching and stop pissing Europe of with all day patch's.

As typical with online publishing, you'll find numerous articles about popular products and brands, such as games. Everyone wants to have an opinion and sound important, but their level of analysis and cited sources is sadly weak and non-objective.

Also, just because you quote someone, it doesn't mean it is legitimate. I can quote Jimbo from some trailer-park who says "SWTOR will die". A lot of journalist use this trick to make themselves sound legitimate.

I just read an article about Apple's new iPhone in 2007, published by Bloomberg Businessweek, that said the iPhone as a fad and it's only reason for existence is to defend the iPod business. Well, um, the results today speak for themselves. The same type of sad articles are written for all types of popular products, services, and media, but shouldn't be headed anymore than the Inquirer, Midnight Star, or any other tabloid.

One of those article also indicates that the sales of SWTOR is better than expected, and that fact is used to demonstrate EA's value to investors. Yet they indicate that SWTOR is poor performer. And a lot these figures, are published publicly and can anyone can look at the numbers, run some figures to determine things like the corporation's sustainability and other aspects of their health, profitability, and risks.

Yet, what does this have to do with playing SWTOR and having a good time? I think this just shows that many have absolutely no lives, and maybe are dependent on SWTOR or another MMO to give them meaning and purpose in life, and unfortunately, perhaps, these are the ones that are most vociferous.

Complete silence on everything it would seem, but they find it perfectly ok to talk about the problems on 3rd party sites, yet refuse point blank to talk to their PAYING customers on the forums, I find that highly insulting tbh.

We had two threads regarding performance problems, both of which exceeded 100 posts and where then restarted, both of which received 0 comments from Bioware.

Endless threads regarding Server Population problems, with posters simply wanting info on whether server mergers or server transfers will be an option soon, how did they get treated ?, they got ignored, instead Bioware chose to start talking on a 3rd party site.

A large number of threads all regarding the many many bugs in this shabby unfinished game (yep, they deserve that), all met with either no reply or the standard Biodrone - "We are aware of the problem and are working to resolve it", lol, yeah how exactly ?, oh by adding even more content, and making even more changes to the game that then result in even more bugs, some of which are game breaking, yes I of course refer to 1.2.

If the Game dies a horrid death then they only have themselves to blame.

The basic game is a good game, but Bioware/EA's attitude towards paying customers quite frankly stinks.

And for those that are still wondering why there is so mate hate, QQ and negativity on the forums, well that's what happens when you ignore people, that's what happens when you ignore your customers.

They get my money for a few more months, a few more months to the sort the bugs, if they cant even be bothered to sort the bugs and get the BASIC game up to standard, then it's cancel time, because I am sick to death of PAYING to play a BETA.

I don't want to sound rude, but personally I don't believe that people who didn't even bother making atleast a bit of an effort to get to endgame content should be rewarded.

Anonymous may not liking way EA has gone about things. Cooperate greed needs to be exposed and the truth revealed it sad when money becomes first over custom satisifcation.

many sage friends have left. you should rebuff sages back, and keep the hybrid spec.

It can be saved if the hire me.

Less focus on the Legacy Bioware! And cut down on this Free to play stuff, it just scream SUBS GOING DOWN!

One problem, the game need a lot of work. Rework of so much stuff, it was made wrong from the start.

You sound pretty, well, extremely defensive over this.

People aren't saying they don't like the game. People are saying that it is flawed (which is true), contains a lot of bugs still (which it does), and has much emptier servers than in January (which it does, on some servers, cripplingly so).

People who have cancelled their subs (myself included), post here for numerous reasons. Personally, I still like the game, but find it simply too buggy, frustrating and empty to play. I have since gone back to WoW for a while and am enjoying it.

Anyone who says that WoW is terrible, I can't quite see why you love TOR so much, and hate a game, that for the most part uses all the same mechanics, and plays nearly exactly the same, so much. I can only assume that it's the fanboys vs. haters relationship that seems to of developed over the years. Back in time people used to just play what they wanted, no one felt obliged to play a game because it would feel like cheating if they played another one, people would just play what they liked to play... But I digress.

Fact is, anyone who's played since late January will tell you that their server is a lot emptier... Forgetting the Light, Standard, Heavy, Very Heavy, Full ratings... Just by playing it, you can tell it's pretty barren compared to previously. Some people might say, "My server had a 20 minute queue last night, I don't know what you're talking about!", well, you're one of the lucky ones who rolled on the correct server from the start. Around 70% of them are suffering, and around 20% have less than 200 people playing on them - total, at peak times... I made characters, I did the maths, and those are fairly accurate figures.


I really don't want TOR to fail, I want them to continue their work, and make it into the game it can potentially become. But terrible (or, more accurately, no) communication to your customers over population issues (or most 'negative' things tbh) and providing free time to more hardcore players, and not those that have supported you since closed beta (I'm talking about myself here) I simply don't wish to pay to support. I'm not alone in this, I assure you. 5 friends started playing at launch, I was the last to unsub.


To answer the thread question:

Is it in decline?
It depends on what you're considering its peak... As it's a new game, there hasn't been a stable peak. But I would say in terms of general server populations, yes. There's too many servers for the amount of people actively playing the game. I think that's a fair assessment that most would agree with.

Can it be saved?
I don't think it's going to go anywhere, so I don't think there's too much to really 'save'. I think the HeroEngine is a piece of crap though. And a house built on crappy foundations won't last long before the cracks start to show, and the building starts to crumble, before, inevitably, the foundations have to be reinforced. But no, I don't think it's in real trouble. At least not at the moment.

less hardmode?
say that again once u run hardmode dungeons endgame and when u get ONE SHOT because u forgot to block or dogde

thats right u can get one shoted in tera if ur not paying attention.

i stop there.
enjoy your 1 pixel game farmville