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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?
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Drakkip
04.19.2012 , 01:24 AM | #511
There are some things that are just fundamental that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. Several of my characters don't have enough quick slots. While this is not all game ruining, I just have some abilities I accept I will never use, it is a FUNDAMENTAL game issue.

It's like buying a 6 seater car that only comes with 4 seatbelts....

There are also way too many places where I get stuck in the world. I find myself having to use /stuck at least once a night. There are places where the terrain is just silly. The collocoid base on Alderan at the top of the steps has a little divot on the one side that you "fall" into and get stuck and /stuck won't remove you. There are several places in and around the armaments on Ilum where you can easily become stuck, heck jumping over operation chests gets you stuck. The issue with being stuck is the game mechanic that you are "falling" when you are stuck and prohibited from jumping. The fact is that /stuck shouldn't be needed to be used early as often as it is.

Then there are things like the companion summon bug in that if you are in a group of 3 and downsize to a group of 2 your companion has to be resummoned every time you zone or mount/dismount your speeder.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture

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VanRedPool
04.19.2012 , 01:30 AM | #512
The answer is yes. Google knows all. It predicted the rise and fall of other MMo's. It predicted the death of Steve Jobs.

In about 6 months, it should fall to 7% of it's initial offering. Right now it's at 36%. Most MMOs shut down at about 5%. The only thing that can save this game is some killer patches or an expansion. Enjoy the year while you can.

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...%2012-m&cmpt=q

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...ay+12-m&cmpt=q

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...ay+12-m&cmpt=q

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thegreebler
04.19.2012 , 01:30 AM | #513
Quote: Originally Posted by Drakkip View Post
There are some things that are just fundamental that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. Several of my characters don't have enough quick slots. While this is not all game ruining, I just have some abilities I accept I will never use, it is a FUNDAMENTAL game issue.

It's like buying a 6 seater car that only comes with 4 seatbelts....

There are also way too many places where I get stuck in the world. I find myself having to use /stuck at least once a night. There are places where the terrain is just silly. The collocoid base on Alderan at the top of the steps has a little divot on the one side that you "fall" into and get stuck and /stuck won't remove you. There are several places in and around the armaments on Ilum where you can easily become stuck, heck jumping over operation chests gets you stuck. The issue with being stuck is the game mechanic that you are "falling" when you are stuck and prohibited from jumping. The fact is that /stuck shouldn't be needed to be used early as often as it is.

Then there are things like the companion summon bug in that if you are in a group of 3 and downsize to a group of 2 your companion has to be resummoned every time you zone or mount/dismount your speeder.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture
/cackles with glee!

IF you are dense enough to try to run around getting yourself 'stuck' then you deserve to!

If you still shuttle about on Ilum where there is no reason to than for vanity purposes... lol that is all i can say
For everything we do, we are greebling.
For everything that is, that is the grobble.
Everything not at peace, is ungreebly.
When there is no greebling, that is the true grobble.

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VanRedPool
04.19.2012 , 01:42 AM | #514
Quote: Originally Posted by VanRedPool View Post
The answer is yes. Google knows all. It predicted the rise and fall of other MMo's. It predicted the death of Steve Jobs.

In about 6 months, it should fall to 7% of it's initial offering. Right now it's at 36%. Most MMOs shut down at about 5%. The only thing that can save this game is some killer patches or an expansion. Enjoy the year while you can.

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...%2012-m&cmpt=q

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...ay+12-m&cmpt=q

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...ay+12-m&cmpt=q
As evidence, google's numbers on the term "housing bubble" spiked just before the bubble burst.
http://www.google.com/insights/searc...097m&cmpt=date

Google can even predict copyright submissions, future patents, stocks, etc. All hail the holy Prophet Google!

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malangus
04.19.2012 , 01:43 AM | #515
Quote: Originally Posted by Holden_Dissent View Post
If people were buying this game thinking it was going to kill the gaming world with it's pvp, then I just don't know what to say about that.

real pvp'ers don't play WoW, SWTOR, Lotro, etc etc. They either play Warhammer, DF or MO or they're waiting for SBEMU.
Yes, WOW and SWTOR are very poor in the pvp department.

For people that really like PvP, I recommend the Chinese free 2 play games which provide things like realm vs realm, territory wars, guild vs guild, fortress wars (you can have ally guilds helping take on a bigger one), among other things.

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Drakkip
04.19.2012 , 01:44 AM | #516
Yes, because I run around all night trying to get stuck in quest areas and normal places where one would typically path in completing quest objectives <rolls eyes>

I "fall" into stuck places in so many areas it's ridiculous, not because I am trying, but because the topography is that bad. More to my point the reason you actually get stuck is a game mechanic (you can't jump while stuck). It's like saying you crossed in a cross walk that was showing you were supposed to walk but got run over by a car because the red light was burnt out for him so it's your fault for being in the crosswalk... really... cmon now...

Edit- Clearly you don't know Ilum because the places I am talking about are RIGHT ON CENTRAL where you are collecting armaments. There must be like 15 places to get stuck there if you are attempting to move to the edges when a Queue pops so when you come out of a WZ you don't get insta ganked... but I guess bad game design is ok in your books because you deserve it for trying to move 40 feet off the path.... clearly you would be a great person to have in charge of game mechanics....

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KBSIP
04.19.2012 , 01:50 AM | #517
Quote: Originally Posted by Longarms-IV View Post
As I recall, EA said in their shareholder documents that they needed 500k to break even and double that to turn a profit. I don't think EA is in business to "break even"
What is the timeframe for that 500k to give a ROI?

What is the timeframe for the 1m to give a ROI?

Peak subscription numbers I heard were 1.7m.

Did those figures factor in the initial purchase boost of 60$ for the game along with 15$ for initial gametime?

That means that initial cash influx from 1.7m subscribers buying at US retail price and purchasing the cheapest but most inefficient month package of 15$ for one month raked in 127.5 million US $ from the first month of subscription of those individuals alone. Also note that even if subscriber numbers hold steady, if its from a balance of influx of completely new players against the outflow of old players, each new player brings in once again an initial 75$ investment.

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Brorim
04.19.2012 , 01:51 AM | #518
The game is great and I love it .

You are all pouring numbers out of your, you know what .

If you hate it that much why don't you simply leave the forums and the game in stead of lingering around
here spewing your poison ?? Unless you WANT it to fail.

I WANT it to succeed, TOR is FOUR months old . Get real people .

Talking trash about TOR seems to feed your need for attention. Perhaps you do not believe that
people acknowledge you for your Genius enough on a daily basis, so you come here and try to look like
you are clever and full of insight based on the fact that you can predict why the game is failing ..

Rather pathetic if you ask me. ( which you probably won't, and I do not really care if you do, )

1.2 fixed everything I found annoying with the game. After such a huge game fix/upgrade things can only IMPROVE.
I'm looking forward to more flashpoints, capitol guild ships ( omg what is that anyways ? ) , more operations, more levels, more planets. The franchise contains limitless possibilities.

SWTOR only needs saving from you forum epeens. You are the only danger the game faces . So, if you do not like it.. Go away and leave the game to people that appreciate it .
"I Think Therefor I Am" ( Descartes )

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malangus
04.19.2012 , 01:52 AM | #519
I think this game is not that bad shape. Yes some servers have been hitted badly by the decrease in population. For example in one I had a 45 ops, was one of those unofficial Brazilian/overseas server. I got tired of too many people speaking Portuguese on chat that decided to re-roll on another server. And I'm sure I wasn't the only one. A couple of days went to see how the server was doing and that one in particular its population have decreased.

But have seen PvE servers with over 250 on fleet + over 100 in Coruscant. And that's not counting other planets or the Empire side.

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Kalfear
04.19.2012 , 01:53 AM | #520
Quote: Originally Posted by Rogobono View Post
Of course it is declining, if you don't see it, you are straight up ignorant. If anyone was here at release, the servers were all at FULL capacity, now they have trouble breaking LIGHT capacity. Just remember, you'll always have the Star Wars movies, it'll help ease the pain of losing this from your life.

<--Honesty
its true

I really dont understand the fanbois that defend the undefendable

Admitting the population is in huge decline is not insulting the game, its just being truthfull

To be honest though my personal server has grown abit since 1.2 released, but honestly with how it was protrayed (wrongly imo) as a GOD PATCH, we should expect some increase. The real test will come when the 30 free days up (so 2 months for the returning people as its actually buy 1 get 1 free promotion).

I got 90+30 days left myself and my account is set not to renew at this moment

As for saving TOR,

/shrugs

They have been told a billion times over how to save this game and they refuse to comment on the items. Repeating it yet again is just mummble jumble.

EA has been told whats missing in this game in beta, billion times over

Now its up to them to act on that information.

This game will never be the 5-6 million sub game it should have been
and thats a real shame

but 800k-1 million dedicated subscribers is not out of the long term question if the right direction is taken.

Its really in EAs court and always has been.
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions
In GAMING, as in LIFE,
You get what you pay for
No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it
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