The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

Ah i remember a time when people said that about Warhammer or Aion or DC Universe and what happened to them?

Oh this isnt 2004, this is 2012. If WoW went through the same stuff then Why did SWTOR have too then? Why couldnt they learn from WoW's mistakes rather than repeat them?

WoW went from 200k subs to 400k in the first year. Since then WoW has grown substantially due to superior marketing and reliability.

SWTOR is in it's infant stages, you can't learn from that, it's just a level of awareness that needs time to grow.

And Blizzard was just aching to share everything they learned with Bioware, right?

Get a clue.

sure I'm just saying that's where that 30% statement came from.

I have been playing MMO(RPG)s for quite some time.. Take a look at some of the exceptionally weaker games out there at the moment, that do not have a recognisable and high profile IP, that have an F2P model with paid content (funding continued content and growth) there are games that are further behind the curve and still running. It is early days - I believe EA and Bioware can deliver, I was impressed with the overall content in 1.2 even if the features and fixes I wanted for myself where not present (fix the Jedi robe arse model!)

All that said, there are features very commonplace in contemporary games that SWTOR lacks, but then its cinematics and VA are ground-breaking - it is clear that VA development really did take priority over inclusion of tried and tested MMO systems at launch, which did not surprise me as story > mmo features was always initially going to be more important for BW.

The end really is not nigh... That's Imperial propaganda!

Just wait for the expansion pack.. One can only imagine what BW can do with a purchased content update!

Get a clue kid, Blizzard had a development team of 4000 when WoW came out.

I don't know if the game is in decline, but I do know that it is very difficult to find people to play with in the game. I've bounced from guild to guild, constantly advertise on the chat channels, and flag myself using the in game system, and yet ... nada. Unless you're level 50, no body wants to group with you, and even then at level 50 it seems to be few and far in between. they need to make it easier to form groups, that at least will eliminate the frustration that gamers like me feel at not being able to complete flashpoints or heroics until we have out leveled them.

I'll say this as nicely as I can, but this is a cold, hard truth. SWTOR won't be saved until EA starts paying attention, taking the game seriously and starts treating players with respect. It truly seems Bioware is being seriously undermined at each and every turn. Instead of getting helpful advise if they needed it, they seem to have been shovelled a load of tripe, which they then explain to players and end up insulting us - well, me anyway.

They've laid the groundwork for what could be a great game, now they just need to add the actual gaming elements to it, rather than detracting from what's already there.

I think it's a tragedy when a new game consistently only has around 20,000 players on at a time. Especially when it's this new and has so many subscribers (I think...).

It seems to me that BW didn't send out any of the staff they had to actually go and play any other mmo for at least six months to get some kind of clue as how how to make one of these games. If they had done that then they may have had a game that I would still be playing. I am pissed as hell at BW for making this game what it is and not what it should have been. What a complete waste of an IP. I wanted this game to be so much and held my breath at launch, went through the initial stages thinking it would get better...... all I found was shallow, and lots of it. I really could cry for what this game has turned out to be....

As I recall, EA said in their shareholder documents that they needed 500k to break even and double that to turn a profit. I don't think EA is in business to "break even"