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The Problem of the Sith Empire

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The Problem of the Sith Empire

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TormentedBunny
04.18.2012 , 02:47 PM | #11
Well, ultimately we know the Sith Empire does fail. Now when that occurs is open ended, but obviously sometime before the rise of the New Sith Empire c. 2000 BBY (founded by Darth Ruin, which will also eventually be destroyed circa 1000 BBY, followed by the rise of Darth Bane and the rule of two).

As far as I know there's a pretty big timeline/lore gap between Vitiate's Sith Empire (the one for the game) and the one founded by Darth Ruin. I suspect at some point in the timeline the emperor dies or is killed, and then you have a bunch of warring Sith "fiefdoms" until the rise of Darth Ruin, as the emperor's strength appears to be the only thing keeping the empire "united" (or more accurately keeping the Sith from warring with each other).

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Crimson_Paladin
04.18.2012 , 03:13 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by TormentedBunny View Post
Well, ultimately we know the Sith Empire does fail. Now when that occurs is open ended, but obviously sometime before the rise of the New Sith Empire c. 2000 BBY (founded by Darth Ruin, which will also eventually be destroyed circa 1000 BBY, followed by the rise of Darth Bane and the rule of two).

As far as I know there's a pretty big timeline/lore gap between Vitiate's Sith Empire (the one for the game) and the one founded by Darth Ruin. I suspect at some point in the timeline the emperor dies or is killed, and then you have a bunch of warring Sith "fiefdoms" until the rise of Darth Ruin, as the emperor's strength appears to be the only thing keeping the empire "united" (or more accurately keeping the Sith from warring with each other).
If we go by what Pre Vizsla said in The Clone Wars, the "Old Republic" and the Galactic Republic of the New Sith Wars and Clone Wars may not be the same entity either.

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TormentedBunny
04.18.2012 , 03:25 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Crimson_Paladin View Post
If we go by what Pre Vizsla said in The Clone Wars, the "Old Republic" and the Galactic Republic of the New Sith Wars and Clone Wars may not be the same entity either.
Exactly.

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NicholasMB
04.18.2012 , 03:46 PM | #14
The Sith and Imperial way of life glorifies one of the ruling principles of life:

The strong shall prosper, while the weak wither and die.

Natural Selection at its finest.
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04.18.2012 , 04:09 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by NicholasMB View Post
The Sith and Imperial way of life glorifies one of the ruling principles of life:

The strong shall prosper, while the weak wither and die.

Natural Selection at its finest.
So then 75% of the people playing this game are doomed...

If the weak will wither away, why is so much time spent "weeding out the weak" in the Empire? Natural Selection ain't that natural if they have to actively killed them off...
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maxetius
04.18.2012 , 04:52 PM | #16
They are both heavily flawed and will collapse on themselves.

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Darth_Solrac
04.18.2012 , 05:10 PM | #17
The OP is really generalizing. There ARE good people on BOTH sides. Shades of grey man.

The Sith Empire is mostly an absolute monarchy, or supposed to be anyway. Therefore, how it's run depends pretty entirely on the monarch. But since Emperor Tenebraus AKA Darth Vitiate shows little to no interest in ACTUALLY governing (he prefers bedroom rituals all day), he leaves this duty to the Dark Council mostly. The way the D.C. governs is actually pretty debatable. The only speech that looks to be discouraged/suppressed is any type of pro-Republic sentiment. Yes this is wrong, it's also wrong to believe Imperial citizens can't say ANYTHING at all. There is corruption. This is mostly from Sith infighting. Certain Darths trying to scheme/kill their way onto the D.C., etc. It is an empire after all. As such, the S.E. is pretty clear & honest bout its intentions when they conquer a people, planet, etc. "Support us, we'll leave you be mostly. Oppose us, we'll wipe you out."

The Galactic Republic is a representative republic. There are many ways to label it, democratic, federal, etc. A Supreme Chancellor, Senate, High Courts, etc. ALL THREE susceptible to the same kind of corruption that exists in the S.E. They just choose to allow themselves to be bribed, lobbied, blackmailed, etc much more, instead. Many shady, outside voices have a say in the Galactic Senate too. Weakness, indecisiveness have reigned supreme there on many an occasion. The Republic has too practiced mass genocide, on the S.E. itself, 1st even. Also, any Imperial player who's played through Belsavis knows how deep this hypocrisy runs. The G.R. is nowhere near as free & saintly as its propaganda would have you believe.

All in all, both are flawed.
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04.18.2012 , 07:56 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Guildrum View Post
Sith = Totalitarian, oppressive, freedom-restricting dictatorship/oligarchy. Change can only happen through force of arms, maybe even civil war.
Republic = Democratic, semi-corrupt government, yet has an institutionalized system for changing their system to better adapt.

Are people really saying they'd rather live under the Empire? Where basic freedoms such as speech, freedom to protest, freedom to press, etc. are taken away and the citizens are practically playthings of the force-using aristocracy? Really?
In the prequel, people chose to let the Republic become Empire.

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Boissi
04.18.2012 , 07:56 PM | #19
Yes, the Sith are pretty much the biggest problem with the Empire. Playing an agent really makes you appreciate how the Sith can screw every plan up, and how much better it would be if they weren't the ones in charge of everything. Playing an Agent is all about the safety of the Empire and its people, and the two Sith story lines are all about the inner power struggles and gaining power for yourself, which tells you a lot already. Agent saves the Empire while being hindered by the Sith, and the two Sith get nice titles and lots of power.

If it were just Jedi vs Sith, then the in-fighting of the Sith would make sense in their own twisted way, because it makes them stronger, and gets rid of the weak. In an all-out galactic war it's a different matter all together. It's not like the Emperor cares how much his people screw things up though, since his plan doesn't require victory, and he sure doesn't care about the people of his Empire.
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Slowpokeking
04.18.2012 , 08:03 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Solrac View Post
The OP is really generalizing. There ARE good people on BOTH sides. Shades of grey man.
Yes, but overall the Sith Empire got bigger problem. You can see many of those "good" and grey people aren't favored by the Sith, even if they think you are too useful to kill they have to put some mind control device in your head.