The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

Sorry, but you would have to be either brain dead or not a Warcraft player in order to not to see the trend from simply looking at the WoW server progression system and paying attention to what is going on in the game.

Warcraft has countless dead servers. Most of the population there has either dwindled out, prefer no one else around, or have transferred to somewhere they can get in a big PvP or raiding guild.

Comparing Skyrim to SWTOR .

What TOR needs are time sinks and I'm not talking about increasing the amount of exp it takes to level up (hopefully when the level cap does get raised it does take longer to level up then previous levels).

TOR needs mini games. It NEEDS swoop racing, sabacc, and pazaak. It needs better open world PvP as in when massive amounts of people get into a small area it doesn't lag 96% of the players out. TOR NEEDS something other then dailies and weeklies. It needs something people can do as a guild or on their own.

Mini games are huuuuuuuge time sinks and I'm sure loads of people (not everyone mind you) but loads of people would love to sit down and customize their own swoop bike and race against others, or play people in pazaak or sabacc.

Right now all there is to do with your guild is dailies, weeklies, flashpoints, warzones and ops. That's not enough! Don't get me wrong those are fun to do but only for so long. You can only do a flashpoint so many times. This world event was a great start! Guild Capital ships, when they do release, will give guilds, hopefully if they're implemented with the idea of giving guilds something to work for and use together, something to strive for.

Flashpoints and ops are fun, new warzones are fun, but they only last for a little while. BioWare needs to put something else in there that isn't PvE or PvP. Something people can actually do to relax from PvE or PvP grinding and have fun with other players. Mini games seriously are one of the major routes they can take. And they aren't the only route but I really think BioWare needs to take a look at them and get them implemented, correctly and with in the next couple of months.

TOR is struggling and it needs this.

Hahahaha...

The main question for me is - why do people take some of this stuff serious? For example the vote from that website with the subtitle "shoppers bite back". I cannot take this serious. I'm probably weird but in a world full of bloggers that can write pretty much everything ...

I mean even in normal newspapers you have to take things with a grain of salt and read at least two other papers on the same topic to get a picture ...

Is this the new trend? A new sport of semi-intelligent half baked maybe somewhat researched "news" providing a minimum entertainment value? Or just a modern version of global gossiping?

really mods should just remove these as spam threads there is no point to these. its all troll bait.

I think there is much mate and annoyance at MMOs in general that are taken out on specific games, there seem to be various patterns that follow every new MMO these days.
From everyone hyping it up to be a game it never was going to be, to picking it apart before launch. The same comments are made by the same people, " Oh thank god Game X is launching soon"
Its a vicious cycle, and GW2 is about to get hit by it

I was more or less referring to your sweeping generalization that, "no one ever takes advantage of these, at least, not to any noticeable degree."

I have twice been on servers that were PVP made PVE and forced to either stay on the server as a PVE server or migrate to another PVP server. What reason could Blizzard possibly have for changing a PVP server to a PVE server if not to combat some population issue?

How is legacy an amazing feature?

You get to click and drag your toons on to an empty space. and then lines are drawn between them.

As to other legacy features. Level a smugglar and you can kick people! once every 10 mins.

Or are you referring to "mailbox" and "target dummies" etc etc.

Its just the same as wow, presented differently and you get a surname. (excluding the drawing lines between toons - to show they are related or not)

No, GW2 is different and that is the key.

World of Warcraft came out and was a stellar huge success because it was different then its predecessor.

However every MMO since WoW is basically a WoW clone, this is especially true of SWTOR.

If you want to get players attention you need to do something different, not the same thing they already have.

The game that will beat WoW is the game that is not like WoW.

GW2 has the most innovation we have seen in any MMO since Ultima Online, or perhaps EQ, but definately more then WoW. GW2 has the chance to be the next step because they understand this fact. Innovation is key, GW2 is its own game, it is almost nothing at all like WoW.