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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?
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Blistrich
04.16.2012 , 12:25 PM | #101
Oh my god...

"Bad customer service"...

I'm sorry, I'm crying tears of laughter shaped like Funcom logos.

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lowflyingmeat
04.16.2012 , 12:35 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Kolreth View Post
WoW has never, ever, ever had a server merge or close. Ever.
They have had free character transfers from multiple high servers into one low pop. Same thing and much better for the resident denizens of the low pop server.

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Blistrich
04.16.2012 , 12:37 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by lowflyingmeat View Post
They have had free character transfers from multiple high servers into one low pop. Same thing and much better for the resident denizens of the low pop server.
No one ever takes advantage of these, at least, not to any noticeable degree.

All of the major transfers are from low pop to big, hub servers like Illidan where the raider "elite" like to hang out and keep pushing server progression. Blizzard rakes it in off these transfers, because they're aware that players like to be where the action is.

And that's what happens. People start off on low pop servers, and assuming they don't quit and keep going, they eventually want to be where the action is.

And Blizzard charges them good money to get there.

Blizzard can afford to let low pop servers languish, because the option is there for you to give them more money and go where you want.

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andretious
04.16.2012 , 12:41 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Sheff View Post
Just saw this on CVG.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...lt-in-layoffs/

"and Star Wars: The Old Republic, which received similar treatment and has supposedly already seen subscription numbers decline, are big contributing factors to the cuts."

http://startupgrind.com/2012/04/excl...500-employees/
This one is a bit more in depth.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012...ort-unit-sales
This seems to be more focused on the stock from EA and seems to lean both ways.

It seems EA have had a poor financial year due to BF3 and SWTOR.

I have found this on several other sites, it seems to be reliable.

I don't want to start a flame war or an "I told you so" thread. Instead, I was wondering what people would like to see to maybe improve the player base.
I am one of the people that is on the fence, I have around 90 days or so left on my sub but am, as of yet, not convinced to renew it.
Following the new "world event" (which I though was good mostly) maybe this is the way forward?
So lets hear it, what would it take (for those that aren't sure or maybe have already cancelled) to bring you back?
For those that are already commited, what more things would you like improved or added?

Lets try and keep it on track and pleasant ok?

Ok, weigh in.
what is it with this generation of gamers posting things like this. To take the time to actually be-little the game it baffles me. Pulling up stocks and little ramblings by some fly by night websites. As if you are THE Person to legitimatelly say this game is dying? Do you actually think you can hold bioware hostage with some kind of threat? They are already trying very hard at making this game a success and doing a fine job of it. 1.2 for me has been a blast thus far and i love the new world event. Maybe you aren't playing the game to it's full potential i don't know? I do know one thing , all the whiners here can't do a better job than Bioware is doing. The negativity here is part of the problem. Try enjoying the game yourself and not worrying about the negativity.

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Phenyr
04.16.2012 , 12:53 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Sheff View Post
Just saw this on CVG.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...lt-in-layoffs/

"and Star Wars: The Old Republic, which received similar treatment and has supposedly already seen subscription numbers decline, are big contributing factors to the cuts."

http://startupgrind.com/2012/04/excl...500-employees/
This one is a bit more in depth.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012...ort-unit-sales
This seems to be more focused on the stock from EA and seems to lean both ways.


Ok, weigh in.
Seen that even mighty Blizzard sacked some folks around now and then. that does not mean that WoW is dying isnt it? The world economy is not fully recovered and i think most of the big corporation sack and rehire personel depending on their projects etc etc.

Is like is the company i work for sacks few employee mean is dying and have to rush to find new job? Neah it takes more than that.

If the world economy was in a pre-recession state and EA was 'cuting' off jobs then yes that might be worrying news.

But thats just my opinion.
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Aloro
04.16.2012 , 12:56 PM | #106
The single interesting thing in all of this, to me, is the OP's choice of title. How could you have thought, even for a second, that this would be the end of the argument?

Even if you had hard data instead of mere speculation (and you do not), people would argue. Remember six weeks ago when EA had its quarterly earnings report? People argued and argued and argued about what the numbers meant, and whether the game was dying or doing well.

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Leggomy
04.16.2012 , 12:59 PM | #107
The original article only says this about swtor:

Quote:
After a brief resurgence, EA has had a rough year with Star Wars not matching lofty internal expectations, an expensive Popcap acquisition, a CFO departure, and being recently named the worst company in America.

How does this blogger pull from that the subs are in decline at swtor? I think you guys should at least read the referenced article before you start talking about how swtor is doing so bad. Estimates are they have sold 3 million copies so far and new people come into the game everyday.

Also the referenced article says EA does not call these "layoffs". Look:

Quote:
“There are no lay-offs as such, we always have projects growing and morphing,” EA told MCV. “At any given time there are new people coming in and others leaving. EA is growing and hiring and building teams to support the growing demand for digital games and services.”
So anyways the second blogger just made some false dramatic statement to get you to look at his blog. He lied about the declining sub numbers straight up.

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Dolcia
04.16.2012 , 01:07 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Blistrich View Post
No one ever takes advantage of these, at least, not to any noticeable degree.

All of the major transfers are from low pop to big, hub servers like Illidan where the raider "elite" like to hang out and keep pushing server progression. Blizzard rakes it in off these transfers, because they're aware that players like to be where the action is.

And that's what happens. People start off on low pop servers, and assuming they don't quit and keep going, they eventually want to be where the action is.

And Blizzard charges them good money to get there.

Blizzard can afford to let low pop servers languish, because the option is there for you to give them more money and go where you want.
Source? Stats?
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dakarii
04.16.2012 , 01:08 PM | #109
I made this comment earlier that people's perceptions of games and what they consider successful and a failure are not really close to reality.

Thought this article was interesting about wow
http://www.gamespot.com/features/the...craft-6370984/

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Geeluc
04.16.2012 , 01:13 PM | #110
Personally, I don't think any MMO should be on a monthly sub.

I paid who knows how much money to SOE for SWG for 6 years, just to see them slowly kill the game I originally loved.

Take something like Skyrim. It's 100's of hours of gameplay and it was £40. Or, of the PvP'ers, something like COD4, again, £40 and all the PvP'ing you want for a one off payment.

On the one hand, this game will go for a few years, of course it will. On the other, if they keep giving us crap like 1.2 and loose loads of subs over night...maybe it won't last.
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