The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

its not that the game will last years

its will it last years and not be another junk free mmo.my guess is? free to play in 6 months,but hey.im stickin with it and havent quit yet

Some of you people are being irrational. SURPRISE.

Server populations have most certainly declined. If they haven't declined on your server then it's because you're on something like The Fatman where all the the refugees from the dwindling severs have decided to go.

Dying doesn't mean dead. It means on the path to death.

Rift, Aion, Warhammer, LotRO, etc are in FACT all dying. They are bleeding subscriptions or have been bleeding subscriptions for sometime at an alarming rate.

Server mergers mean the game is dying. Does that mean it will die anytime soon? Not necessarily.

Games like EQ and DAoC and WoW all INCREASED subscriber numbers even months to years after their release. They didn't sell massive amounts of copies at the start and then start squirting subscribers as the months passed.

DAoC added 3 new servers including an RP server after it's release. When's the last time an MMO actually added servers after release or increased it's subscription base any futher out than the intial first month or two? DAoC hit it's all time high nearly 2 years after release date.

You remember the Andred/Mordred merge?

You remember the dwindling Nimue pop?

You remember when ToA hit and the exodus began?

They all die...

Except Everquest.

It. Will. Not. Die.

I would say that if you don't want the game to die, you REALLY need to not be that gloomy on forums...

If people were buying this game thinking it was going to kill the gaming world with it's pvp, then I just don't know what to say about that.

real pvp'ers don't play WoW, SWTOR, Lotro, etc etc. They either play Warhammer, DF or MO or they're waiting for SBEMU.

I have heard the imminent death knell for every MMO game ever launched since UO about 4 months after launch

they have been wrong 100% of the time

Quite a record if you think about it

Ah... a man who understands.

Hello, sir. You're a rare breed, you know that right?

Anyway, this statement is correct. If your gaming life is focused around Player vs Player, the "Mickey Mouse" mmos are not your stomping grounds.

Mortal. Darkfall. Warhammer. EVE Online.

Those are your PvP titles in the mmo world. Other than that, it's grab your sack and pray for dear life as you eject from your jet over some Battlefield 3 conquest map.

Yeah guys, keep telling players to go back to WoW or leave. That's gonna help.

F*n fanboys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

My favorite part is how this comes from "multiple sources", but they still use the word "supposedly already seen subscription numbers decline..."

If it's known, why is it "supposed"?

The other article is just as vague.

What this seems to be is a couple of bloggers writing about what they THINK are the reasons behind the layoffs at EA.

Until anything is known FOR CERTAIN as to where the layoffs have come from, this is all just bogus speculation, IMHO. They're fishing for answers as to "why", quoting "sources" that aren't certain.

. <--- This is a grain of salt. You may take it if you wish.

Last night I was in a 10 minute queue to log into one of my servers (that is NOT Fatman)' there were 79 people on Tattoine and over 200 in Fleet - Republic side. Are you going to tell me my anecdotal (but real) evidence is not as valid as yours?