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blooddodo
04.16.2012 , 04:03 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaidan View Post
caving to the lowest common denominator is never a recipe for success.

as was said elsewhere... losing should not be rewarded. it only reinforces bad habits and encourages the mindset that things can be simplified and dumbed down for the benefit of the weakest links.

although, it would be satisfying to see these less skilled players wearing full BM gear and still losing.

but... what will they complain about once gear disparity is no longer an excuse? what will they demand to have changed? what will be changed to satisfy their ignorant and entitled whims?
So if I lose and get nothing for it, why would I play in the first place? The idea that losing shouldn't be rewarded simply doesn't apply to video games.
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Jaidan
04.16.2012 , 04:07 AM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Heleus View Post
free gear for nothing.... rofl

how about free gear for the money I pay monthly for this game or more importantly my time

If you're going to post something, make it constructive not to troll. k thx
so... are you saying that you support a microtransaction system, one where by paying more you can make up for your deficiencies elsewhere, and gain an unfair meta-game advantage from it?

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Jaidan
04.16.2012 , 04:12 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeopardydd View Post
you can definitely get zilch. depends on how your team does and how many medals you get (which is itself partly dependent on your team).

here's a screenshot of somebody getting 0 rewards despite having the top healing on either team:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5520/50773366.jpg
2 medals.

0 objective pts gained.

losing team.

very easy to see why you got nothing.

to start with you didn't complete the minimum requirement of getting 3 medals. additionally, you didn't do anything even remotely related to the objectives (hell, you can just stand near the objective and never actually interact with it in order to get defense or offense points).

i see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

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Jaidan
04.16.2012 , 04:15 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by jolleebindu View Post
if the problem was the leaving then matches wouldn't be starting with partially filled teams

if leaving is the problem then why wasn't it such a big problem pre 1.2 - the ability to leave was there too. The fact that it is more of a problem now points to something else being the issue.
oh, there was plenty of whining about leaving pre 1.2.

most of those arguments didn't go anywhere though, and just got lost in the void. namely because it was a fight between people claiming they would lose solely because people left the matches early, and the other side claiming they would have lost anyways, whether someone left early or not.

essentially it was all a big "he said, she said" *****fest.

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Jaidan
04.16.2012 , 04:19 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by blooddodo View Post
So if I lose and get nothing for it, why would I play in the first place? The idea that losing shouldn't be rewarded simply doesn't apply to video games.
yes, you're right.

its so much easier to just quit than get better.

guess it comes down to whether or not you actually want to improve or just be handed gifts without earning them.

no offense, but id rather play a game with a small, but quality, playerbase, over one that is massive but an embarrassment to themselves (whether they realize it or not). that's one of the reasons i quit WoW, i'd really rather not see this game go the same route.

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DAMABLANCA
04.16.2012 , 04:34 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by DcyfR View Post
Its like golf the winner gets the big money and last place gets crap.
Actually last place at the Masters got about 25k, his paycheck for a leisurely weekend of golf is better then your yearly McDonalds salary.
BOUGHT THE DIGITAL DELUXE EDITION, YOU HAVE, HMM? LIVING IN SQUALOR MUST YOU BE.

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KhalDrogoe
04.16.2012 , 04:35 AM | #197
In every warzone that I lost, I received zero credts. Before 1.2, every warzone loss netted 3.5k credits for max medals. I was also making ~8k per bag opened. Completing the weeklies also netted me 3 bags/weekly, now all I get is the quest reward. So the credit gains in warzones have been significantly reduced. And with the disparity between winning losing with 10 medals either side is quite significant. For the first month of pvp, I geared up by losing.

So by doing the weeklies/dailies I would earn enough to continue my crafting skills. As well as gear up via the bag system. I think the time invested for gear was about right with how the cent/champ comms were awarded. Now, people are stuck in their recruits gear a lot longer than any was stuck in centurion gear.

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wtfnonamefree
04.16.2012 , 05:52 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaidan View Post
but... what will they complain about once gear disparity is no longer an excuse? what will they demand to have changed? what will be changed to satisfy their ignorant and entitled whims?
Meh, the amount of qq threads about class balance will double ofc.
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Thoffs
04.16.2012 , 06:06 AM | #199
First I don't PVP, but I belong to a large guild (both PVP and PVE) where members have been fairly stoic and weathering changes with little complaint. But on our internal forums, I am now seeing complaints about the lack of PVP rewards, people leaving losing teams, and the time it takes to get gear. My feeling is that if these folks are beginning to complain, something is not right.

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Savro
04.16.2012 , 08:05 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaidan View Post
2 medals.

0 objective pts gained.

losing team.

very easy to see why you got nothing.

to start with you didn't complete the minimum requirement of getting 3 medals. additionally, you didn't do anything even remotely related to the objectives (hell, you can just stand near the objective and never actually interact with it in order to get defense or offense points).

i see absolutely nothing wrong with this.
And do you find anything wrong in this (copy of one my post from an other thread)?
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Huttball Active Play: won 6-0 with no rewards?!? | Today , 01:55 PM

I won a Huttball match 6-0, i was active on all scores, passing the ball to the "scorer", so i gained 6 pass, and 3K attacking points, so 2 medals (at 1k and 3K attack points).
The match was won in 5 minutes so i had to receive the fast win medals, but i didn't.
At the end i received "0 commendations, 0 valor, 0 xp". I undestand that i received only 2 medals in game but it is wrong that i idn't receive any reward, i was not afk, i was playing for the team, it is not my fault if we were too much powerful!
I want to receive rewards when i win, i can receive no rewards only if i don't play for the team or if i am afk. but if i have 3k attacking points is not possible to think that i didn't play for the team.
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