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CptZeal
04.15.2012 , 04:57 PM | #171
I'm not sure where these crybabies are getting the idea you get "zilch" for losing. I ALWAYS get 35-50 comms, 300-500 credits, and several thousand valor in losing WZs. Last I checked, that's a far cry from "zilch". Go back to Hello Kitty's Adventure Island.
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Jeopardydd
04.15.2012 , 04:59 PM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by CptZeal View Post
I'm not sure where these crybabies are getting the idea you get "zilch" for losing. I ALWAYS get 35-50 comms, 300-500 credits, and several thousand valor in losing WZs. Last I checked, that's a far cry from "zilch". Go back to Hello Kitty's Adventure Island.

you can definitely get zilch. depends on how your team does and how many medals you get (which is itself partly dependent on your team).

here's a screenshot of somebody getting 0 rewards despite having the top healing on either team:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5520/50773366.jpg

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Khoraji
04.15.2012 , 05:00 PM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by SteveMo View Post
Game A
400k Damage
100k Healing
14 Medals
0 Deaths
12,00 Objective Points
Lose
42 Commendations and 1,500 Credits.

Thanks BW for rewarding me on all my hard work. Screen Shot when I get home.

Game B
112,00k Damage
23k Healing
8 Medals
4 Deaths
0 Objective Points
WIN
90 Commendations! 14k Credits

So based of this info all BW is telling me is that I need more friends :-(

Pre-Made or lose

Good thing about Premades is that it requires you to do less for more as long as you get the big "W" at the end.
Its not pre-made or lose. It is Win or get crappy rewards...seems right to me.

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Jeopardydd
04.15.2012 , 05:04 PM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
Its not pre-made or lose. It is Win or get crappy rewards...seems right to me.
you comment would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that you are only 1 of 8 players on a team, if there were no gear disparities, and if every match had the same number of players on each side.

because right now, you can be the best player in the world and get no rewards for it. which is the exact opposite of what defenders of this patch say they want (for skill and effort to be rewarded).

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SteveMo
04.15.2012 , 05:09 PM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
Its not pre-made or lose. It is Win or get crappy rewards...seems right to me.
Do you win against pre-mades that are coordinated in BM/WH gear? If so good for you!

I'm stating that I can be the best person a losing team, it happens a lot. I was trying to help people visualize that effort is NOT contingent on rewards, just winning.

And as for the OP's originally thought.

LeBron James. Best Player on a losing team. Still gets paid more then Dirk, who just won a championship. He get's that much cause of his skills. I think that should be relative in WZ's. It was pre 1.2. Now, winning is the main source of Valor/Comms/Credits/Coolness. Don't matter how SKILLED you are, just win and you'll be fine.
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CptZeal
04.15.2012 , 05:12 PM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeopardydd View Post
you can definitely get zilch. depends on how your team does and how many medals you get (which is itself partly dependent on your team).

here's a screenshot of somebody getting 0 rewards despite having the top healing on either team:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5520/50773366.jpg
He/She has 2 medals. You need at least 3 medals to get any sort of reward. BW has explicitly stated this. This is not the fault of the reward system, this is the fault of the player being a poor player. Top heals? Firstly, I can sit in a corner and heal someone taking false damage all day long too. Secondly, look at His/Her other stats. ZERO Objective Points, 1k Damage Dealt, 1 Kill. Judging from the 0 Objective Points, I'd wager this person did just that in my first statement. You honestly think this person deserved rewards for being almost completely useless?
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Jeopardydd
04.15.2012 , 05:14 PM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by CptZeal View Post
He/She has 2 medals. You need at least 3 medals to get any sort of reward. BW has explicitly stated this. This is not the fault of the reward system, this is the fault of the player being a poor player. Top heals? Firstly, I can sit in a corner and heal someone taking false damage all day long too. Secondly, look at His/Her other stats. ZERO Objective Points, 1k Damage Dealt, 1 Kill. Judging from the 0 Objective Points, I'd wager this person did just that in my first statement. You honestly think this person deserved rewards for being almost completely useless?


yeah, it is easy to get medals....except for certain circumstances (like the one in the screen shot)

when your team gets facerolled by the other team (in particular because of gear and population imbalances), you can easily end up with too few medals.

you can't get a defender medal when your team can't take an objective. you can get kill medals when your team can't kill the other side. you can't get 75k damage or heals when you get stunned and die in 3 seconds because you have fewer teammates who are always dead so you are perpetually outnumbered.

moreover, you are actually saying that the guy was doing something WRONG by healing his arse off in a bad situation. that right there means there's a giant problem.

if it's "easy for you" to get a ton of medals, then you are not in that situation, but it really does happen.

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Wintervoid
04.15.2012 , 05:19 PM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by CptZeal View Post
He/She has 2 medals. You need at least 3 medals to get any sort of reward. BW has explicitly stated this. This is not the fault of the reward system, this is the fault of the player being a poor player. Top heals? Firstly, I can sit in a corner and heal someone taking false damage all day long too. Secondly, look at His/Her other stats. ZERO Objective Points, 1k Damage Dealt, 1 Kill. Judging from the 0 Objective Points, I'd wager this person did just that in my first statement. You honestly think this person deserved rewards for being almost completely useless?
On Voidstar, as a healer, I generally prefer to heal those fighting at the door from a distance, and not standing next to the door where the AoEs are going off and basically self marking yourself as a target.

Again, in most matches I have no problem getting 10+ medals. In the matches where your team just does not have a chance, I have walked away a few times with 0 medals. The system is fine as long as the match is somewhat competitive.

IMO, the real issue is that the top Premades all came out to test 1.2 and start working towards WH gear. That is giving some people some very bad experiences on the other side, with nothing to show for it. That is what is highlighting issues in a system that was designed for a rated WZ environment where matches are theoretically going to be somewhat even.

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Jeopardydd
04.15.2012 , 05:21 PM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Wintervoid View Post
On Voidstar, as a healer, I generally prefer to heal those fighting at the door from a distance, and not standing next to the door where the AoEs are going off and basically self marking yourself as a target.

Again, in most matches I have no problem getting 10+ medals. In the matches where your team just does not have a chance, I have walked away a few times with 0 medals. The system is fine as long as the match is somewhat competitive.

IMO, the real issue is that the top Premades all came out to test 1.2 and start working towards WH gear. That is giving some people some very bad experiences on the other side, with nothing to show for it. That is what is highlighting issues in a system that was designed for a rated WZ environment where matches are theoretically going to be somewhat even.

yeah, it is easy to get medals....except for certain circumstances

when your team gets facerolled by the other team (in particular because of gear and population imbalances), you can easily end up with too few medals.

you can't get a defender medal when your team can't take an objective. you can get kill medals when your team can't kill the other side. you can't get 75k damage or heals when you get stunned and die in 3 seconds because you have fewer teammates who are always dead so you are perpetually outnumbered.

if it's "easy for you" to get a ton of medals, then you are not in that situation, but it really does happen. don't be so self-absorebed to say that just because it isn't happening to you, it doesn't happen to others.

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thomasmeadows
04.15.2012 , 10:46 PM | #180
40 comms for doing 300k damgage in a warzone with 8 medals. Really funny guys...
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