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04.14.2012 , 08:09 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt_Latency View Post
Every single time a new MMO launches. WoW takes a MASSIVE population hit. 3 or 4 months most of them are back.
As I said, people are attached to their characters already geared and leveled.


This game though has given them the biggest hit so far, and seems to have a lot more people interested in staying so far.
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Gimano
04.14.2012 , 08:18 PM | #82
To me it certainly isn't end game.

But an open world, yes. It's one of the core aspects of an mmorpg in my opinion.
However I'm not sure how it would work for a science fiction mmorpg, especially one that is based on Star Wars. How are you going to fill all that place? Bears, boards, spiders etc won't make sense.

And I don't think it's because BW didn't know much about the MMORPG world, it's probably just a matter of choice. They wanted to invest more into (single player)RPG rather than in MMO.
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04.14.2012 , 09:04 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
You guys all know I am a major supporter of this game.

But what do you guys think it is that doesn't give swtor that "thing" that wow has. If you are one of those people. That "thing" that DAoC or EQ had. What do you think it could be? I have been trying to think about it for months upon months why some feel this way.

For alot...that special little "thing" isn't there. I can't put my finger on it, I really can't! I love this game A LOT and I have a spark and it's growing. Sometimes it goes down, but there is a draw. But to some there isn't just that....oomph and "HELL YEAH" feeling that is missing that people keep talking about. Really..this is driving me insane. What do you think it is? I'm trying to figure it out for some people..
a) The Old Republic Era of the Star Wars Universe is far inferior to the New Republic Era. It's not nearly as grounded or mysterious when it comes to the Force where the few remaining Jedi are trying to discover and learn about the Force all over again - it's just a crazy swashbuckling sci-fantasy pirate "thing".

b) The world is completely static. Nothing changes for any reason despite the illusion of choice every player gets. It all happens in the backroom of someplace you can't even go back to when you've finished what you were there to do. The PVP doesn't even have any impact on the war that is supposedly going on.

c) Flashpoints and Operations are just not interesting. I have yet to do a single one where I felt like completing it was an achievement. The encounters are bland, predictable and very repetitive. It's a step down from what anyone who has played another modern MMO is used to, and it's obvious very few people even bother doing them.

d) There are no massive space fleet battles.

e) No infinite universe with infinite possibilities to explore.

I think d) and e) are probably the biggest reason. People love giant fleet battles. Star Wars would be pretty friggin' boring without them... and hey it is!

In a Sci-Fi/Fantasy MMO in an IP with interstellar travel, being herded onto a limited number of planets does not feel natural. I should be able to be a spacer who lives on ships, flies around the galaxy doing cool stuff, and rarely goes planetside if I want to, but I can't.

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04.14.2012 , 09:08 PM | #84
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04.14.2012 , 09:11 PM | #85
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Actually, I don't know anything about you, other than you seem to think the whole forum knows you, they don't.
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Valkirus
04.14.2012 , 09:16 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Gungan View Post
a) The Old Republic Era of the Star Wars Universe is far inferior to the New Republic Era. It's not nearly as grounded or mysterious when it comes to the Force where the few remaining Jedi are trying to discover and learn about the Force all over again - it's just a crazy swashbuckling sci-fantasy pirate "thing".

b) The world is completely static. Nothing changes for any reason despite the illusion of choice every player gets. It all happens in the backroom of someplace you can't even go back to when you've finished what you were there to do. The PVP doesn't even have any impact on the war that is supposedly going on.

c) Flashpoints and Operations are just not interesting. I have yet to do a single one where I felt like completing it was an achievement. The encounters are bland, predictable and very repetitive. It's a step down from what anyone who has played another modern MMO is used to, and it's obvious very few people even bother doing them.

d) There are no massive space fleet battles.

e) No infinite universe with infinite possibilities to explore.

I think d) and e) are probably the biggest reason. People love giant fleet battles. Star Wars would be pretty friggin' boring without them... and hey it is!

In a Sci-Fi/Fantasy MMO in an IP with interstellar travel, being herded onto a limited number of planets does not feel natural. I should be able to be a spacer who lives on ships, flies around the galaxy doing cool stuff, and rarely goes planetside if I want to, but I can't.
Atleast you have got to experence the Operations. I have yet to do one and been playing sence second wave of early invites. My server is too dead to find a group.

As far as massive space battles...na..no interest at all in those...or the PVP. The ability to do some exploring with your ship would be nice.
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AilsaH
04.14.2012 , 09:53 PM | #87
I really would advise people find a group of friends or a guild to quest/pvp with to get full enjoyment from this game. If you play it alone, you may as well be playing a single-player game.

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futuredami
04.14.2012 , 11:26 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt_Latency View Post
That is like saying BF3 hasn't change compared to DOOM.

You are delusional. If you think adding cut sense and VO did more for the change the genre more then WoW did.


Why isn't Starwars Sky rocketing??? WoW should be crushed with all this awsome new inovation we got from SW:ToR.

Even Biowae Devs has stated they were not doing anything new just adding they story system to a prove MMO fomual.


Why made ALL THE RIGHT Changes. To vastly improve over EQ and draw in a massive new audenince to the game.
consumers very rarely want true innovation. people actually look for similar experiences. when purchasing. things that are truly new usually frighten and confuse people.

there really wasn't any vast landscape in wow. granted the huge load times in TOR really slow the game's pace down, but wow zones are tiny fishbowls. this was true in vanilla and ran true through cata. there was no reward for exploring these little zones aside from filling in the map or farming, which nobody enjoyed anyway.

the achievement system (another thing which wow did not innovate at all, but appropriated and watered down) was brilliant because the developers got tons of mileage and gameplay time out of zero extra work. It just tracks all the things in the game and gives a feedback to the players.

Wow was a horrendously ugly and poorly written game. The one and only thing it had going for it was tight controls and good playability.
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ferroz
04.14.2012 , 11:49 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
You guys all know I am a major supporter of this game.
Are you?

who are you again?

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But what do you guys think it is that doesn't give swtor that "thing" that wow has. That "thing" that DAoC or EQ had.
Lack of an open world; instead we have a linear experience.

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Mashy
04.15.2012 , 12:07 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Rooks_THX View Post
While I also like the game, for me it's the lack of a truly open world. There's so little actual game area...it really feels like the corridor worlds of ME just opened up for more players. There just isn't any sense of exploration or depth to the world. IMO immersion really suffers because of this.
^^ Very much this. I don't even play anymore and believe me when I say that this has made me very sad. I tried so hard to like it but the lack of exploration has killed it for me.
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