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1.2 Came Too Soon


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Pawnbroker
04.14.2012 , 03:15 PM | #1
BioWare,

You guys have been tossing around all these fancy ideas for things that will be in the game “in the future.” You seemingly gave the impression that many features would actually be included in patch 1.2 and built up the hype to a make or break level for subscribers. You inadvertently encouraged the remaining player base to make a decision with the release of 1.2 to either continue to play or cancel their subscription until the game is worth investing real time with a community of players.

Here is a list of things that a large population of people thought was coming with 1.2 and it wasn’t there:

1. Ranked warzones
2. 8-man warzone group queues
3. Choosing which warzone you wanted to queue for
4. Medium and Heavy social gear
5. Pulling set bonuses attached to armoring mods
6. “Useful” legacy equipment for alt characters (the non-moddable token items are near worthless)
7. Useful crafting schematics (i.e. I craft something that someone actually wants to buy from me at level 50 that is an upgrade)
8. A reason for being in a guild. (The bank is great but there is no need for it without the need for crafting at end game)
9. A ton of legacy unlocks that you told us we could do that aren’t coming until 1.3. In fact, 90% of the legacy unlocks I was looking forward too are still not useable until 1.3. I really wanted the use of speeders at level 10 and the choice of increased XP through space missions/pvp/or pve by my choosing. All I feel like having right now is some race/class combinations and a mailbox on my ship. The rest is kind of useless based on everything else I wish I was doing at end game.

Because these things did not come with 1.2 many of my best friends and guild mates are done with SW:TOR. These are the people that actually had the highest level of dedication and held strong until 1.2. We have been following this game since the first day that this website launched in 2008 and waited patiently for each Friday update lifting our spirits to bring back the fun MMO community we missed from SWG.

I’m not saying you should abandon all you’ve done and go 100% sandbox. I’m not saying that story isn’t fun for a while. But what I really need to get off my chest is that you guys ****ed up. BioWare is phenomenal at making single player games. You guys made 8 single player games in one box. You continue to build great single player content but you forget that your game is an MMO. MMOs are about community. That doesn’t mean you tell us it takes 4 or 8 people to do single player content. That means that crafting, open world pvp, player ships and the planets themselves should have functional and supportive content to get people playing together. You recently mentioned having speeder racing, 3D space combat, guild capitol ships and better open pvp. I find it sad that you are only exploring this avenue because we hounded you for it. These are BASIC FOUNDATIONS for any long running MMO. You have successfully catered to a niche in your market that loves your single player games. You have immersed Star Wars fans in a believable universe. However, at the end of the day I don’t remember Darth Vader running in circles on a spacedock with nothing to do in between huttball matches against Han Solo. I don’t remember the part in the movies where Princess Leia told me to kill 10 droids instead of fight the Empire in open space/ground combat. I don’t see the point of level 50 in this game for pvp fans. There are people who only PvE, people who only PvP and people who do both. For the people who only pvp and the people who do both this game seems empty.

1.2 built our hopes and fed them to the Sarlacc to be digested until you guys realize how to build a well rounded MMO. Warzones should not be the soul focus of pvp. I have personally taken over Republic star ports on various planets with my guild hoping to get the Republic to respond in like-minded force to try and secure it because that’s the only open pvp we have. Nobody wants to fight over an empty piece of sand owned by tuskan raiders on Tatooine. There is no reason for being there. If we want to pvp we’ll do it in someone’s base or around the Sarlacc pit or somewhere that its actually fun where we can develop make-believe objectives such as escorting an enemy prisoner to some ship in the game or king of the hill or “capturing” an enemy starport and keeping them from using it until they get an army to drive us out.

Every other MMO that claimed to care about open pvp actually puts objectives out in the open world like castles and gives players a reason to take them over and try and hold them and then fight over them. This game should have structures that I can attack/defend with space ships and AT-AT type vehicles and ion cannons/turrets and all the things that made the Wars in Star Wars cool in the movies. The movies were a story built around pvp in concept. Only they were not playing, they were risking their lives for control over the galaxy. I don’t feel like this game lives up to the label of “MMO” or puts the War in Star Wars. So far its Star Story with Huttball and I’m deeply saddened.

I will be keeping my eye on this game and waiting as patiently as I have to for BioWare to understand how to make an MMO and when they finally get ready for “launch” I’ll be there. Nothing will replace a Star Wars MMO for me. Anything else I play while I wait are fillers because they aren’t Star Wars. You guys have access to the most important IP on the planet, make us proud.
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spne
04.14.2012 , 03:17 PM | #2
TOO SOON.

Sorry, had to do it.

And i don't agree. I love 1.2.

Bye.
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DieAlteHexe
04.14.2012 , 03:21 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by spne View Post
TOO SOON.

Sorry, had to do it.

And i don't agree. I love 1.2.

Bye.
Gotta agree with this. I'm pretty happy with 1.2.

Even though it finally forced me to get a grip on my alt-itis. Probably not a bad thing.
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unseenmaji
04.14.2012 , 03:21 PM | #4
What do you expect EA is involved lol, the worst company in the world the company which gamers hate, some people wont even buy a game with EA on it even if the game was ok from another company. The fact is this the game is dieing they offering 30 days free because they know people quiting and hoping people think oh free time ill hang around. But honestly alot us cant even be bothered trying the 1.2 with all the complaints about it why waste the bandwidth downloading it. I personally im done with the game and hope others boycotte as a testement that releasing rushed games for quick money is not acceptable to the gaming community. Let hope GW2 is as good it looks and diablo 3 holds us for abit too.

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ZORG
04.14.2012 , 03:22 PM | #5
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Pawnbroker
04.14.2012 , 03:23 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by DieAlteHexe View Post
Gotta agree with this. I'm pretty happy with 1.2.

Even though it finally forced me to get a grip on my alt-itis. Probably not a bad thing.
You guys sound like the PvE fans I mentioned that like single player. Of course there is plenty for you guys. This post is about the lack of support for content that requires community interaction and pvp. I’d play any crappy content if my friends were willing to stick through it with me. However all of my friends got bored and quit because the pvp and community options didn’t really exist outside of warzones. Its about having friends to play with and all of mine got bored and left.
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WoodChipper
04.14.2012 , 03:23 PM | #7
Yeah 3 months after the last patch is too soon... NOT.
They shouldn't of promised more than they can handle in one patch.
I am sure they realize tthis and won't promise too much in the future patches.
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Wolfninjajedi
04.14.2012 , 03:23 PM | #8
Notice the keywords, seemingly, and thought. They never said all of those things were going to be in the 1.2 patch.
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SNCommand
04.14.2012 , 03:23 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by unseenmaji View Post
What do you expect EA is involved lol, the worst company in the world the company which gamers hate, some people wont even buy a game with EA on it even if the game was ok from another company. The fact is this the game is dieing they offering 30 days free because they know people quiting and hoping people think oh free time ill hang around. But honestly alot us cant even be bothered trying the 1.2 with all the complaints about it why waste the bandwidth downloading it. I personally im done with the game and hope others boycotte as a testement that releasing rushed games for quick money is not acceptable to the gaming community. Let hope GW2 is as good it looks and diablo 3 holds us for abit too.
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Pawnbroker
04.14.2012 , 03:25 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by ZORG View Post
Well I dont nessesarily dispute your gripes but when you claim many players are upset or MOST players wanted this or that feature. Wheres you PEW Research Data? Did you use Gallup to pole people about these issues?

Just be honest and say you and you friends or go even as far as saying your guild are unhappy but dont claim you represent a large portion of the playerbase without data to back it up...
I have watched 30 guilds that account for a huge population of the Jung-Ma server give up and quit one by one. No, I don’t have data, but thousands of people are large enough. This is in general discussion because I have an opinion and I’m going to give my feedback to BioWare. If you are happy with what you have then I’m happy for you but I don’t share the satisfaction with the state of the game.
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