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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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Phaedrynn
04.13.2012 , 01:03 PM | #341
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkammo View Post
Then Came 1.2

Then came 1.2. I heard rumors that it was going to suck. Brushed it off as over exaggeration and was excited about a lot of the other features. The commando nerfs looked harsh, but I was like I'm going to get through this. I didn't put points in med zone reactive shield and was unkillable as is so I'll be fine. Or so I thought.
So you though being "unkillalbe" was fine? I think I see the first problem here.

Quote: Originally Posted by Darkammo View Post
The damage buffs on dps and the med pack nerf came as a tidal wave against us. Compounded from the fact that Imperial 4 man groups have a lot better gear on average versus my servers Rep groups. I'm not exaggerating on the gear difference. I recognize the same Imps and guilds and groups on my server. It's kind of nice having that tight community. But that's digressing. Another strange anomaly of our server is our side doesn't have a lot of great dpsers. Empire had the DPS, we had tons of tanks and heals. It is not abnormal on our server to have 4 healers in a warzone. I've seen a game with 6. This lead to disaster in 1.2 as heavy organized 4 man Imp groups decimated a weird dynamic that used to play out on our server of having long games where Rep side couldn't kill, but wouldn't die. Now it was Rep side just dies.
And here is the second problem. You seem to think that class ballance should revolve around your ability to form a balanced team?

I stopped reading at this point.

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Uchoo
04.13.2012 , 01:06 PM | #342
This thread is pretty far out there lol.

First, yeah healers got nerfed. Was there a design intention? Of course.

Does anyone in this thread have the ability to figure out a solution? I read 3 pages and gave up.

Alright fine, here's your answer: Every class defensive CD's, offensive CD's, CC and burst.

On my Jugg, I NEED healing a lot less than I used to. My main healer is bummed because her force regen sucks, but again, I don't have a very difficult time making life much easier for her. Same goes for our dps. We are forced to play smarter. More importantly, our opposition is forced to play smarter. Generally, they all have the same feelings as the first 3 pages, so we've been winning a lot haha!

Now enough trolling.

What this did for healers: You are now incentivized to cleanse. Ok, there's no good way to track debuffs in party frames. It sucks, it needs a UI update.

Will an Anni Marauder cry if you cleanse his 1k dps dots off? Yes he will, and you probably won't die.

Will a Carnage Marauder cry if you stun/kite him while Gore is up so he can't hurt you? Yes, yes he will.

Will a powertech cry if you cleanse TD or any of his burn effects? He'll fall over and throw a tantrum.


Now that we've established a few baseline points from a person who is used to being VERY objective about changes (I played Warhammer since day 1 until SWTOR came out), maybe we can play the game instead of being keyboard warriors?

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Khoraji
04.13.2012 , 01:08 PM | #343
Quote: Originally Posted by Galic View Post
As a Sage Seer in full Rakata gear - and half BM gear - I stepped into a warzone last night...

I'd like to think I've been one of the better healers on my server. I've downed 10/10HM and 9/10 NM (Soa!!! :P). I was used to have that unkillable feeling when I pvp'd. I loved it. Being appreciated for my heals at the end of a match and getting voted mvp. 500k was easy. For fun I'd start wearing my Rakata gear in there, then custom gear, it didn't matter.

We were OP. Definitely. We knew it, too. It shouldn't be this easy. Of course we could still get rolled from time to time, but for the majority of our pvp experiences we've been tops.

Then came 1.2 - Taking into account my new UI - I was fumbling around like a newbie 50. 2.2 second cast Deliverance was interrupted constantly (as it should be). I decided to turn into a bubble/Salvation bot. When people noticed I was healing - it didnt take long for focus fire to burn me down quick. I went from dying 1-3 times a match to 10-12, at least. I can still heal for 2-300K though, which leads me to my next point.

(Ha, I bet you thought this was a qq post)

We need to adjust. Most Seers are used to bubbling, diving into the action, AoE healing, spamming deliverance, noble sacrificing back our Force, and repeating. Can't do that any more. We need to take a ranged dps approach to healing. Stay out of notice, try to sit back, constantly be on the move...

Use your CCs, slows, and knockbacks. Run away, even at the chance of a /giggle from the enemy. Find a tank friend to guard you. Start getting good dps to queue up with you.

I don't understand the rage quitting some Seers are doing. I know it's different, but we're still viable. Even in a secondary role. It's a matter of adjustment, changing the way we approach pvp. It's certainly not the op we're used to, but it doesn't mean we're bad.

Also, now that everyone knows about our class being bludgeoned with the nerf bat - step up... take this as an opportunity to show your server your skill level. "Yeah my class sucks, but I'm still awesome".
Nice post, just as a side note: part of your problem in 1.2 is the fact that your wearing rakata. Full pvp gear is the way to go now.

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Galic
04.13.2012 , 01:12 PM | #344
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
Nice post, just as a side note: part of your problem in 1.2 is the fact that your wearing rakata. Full pvp gear is the way to go now.
I said I only queued with Rakata on because I was bored :P - I ususally wear full BM gear
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Stupster
04.13.2012 , 01:12 PM | #345
Just a quick note to agree with what most healers have said. Why heal, might as well be a dps. Woot for Sage/Inq dps, pointless to heal now.
Stuppy - Sage Seer

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Vetril
04.13.2012 , 01:14 PM | #346
Quote: Originally Posted by Stevlol View Post
But I can't servers are down for 239487394 hours for no reason!
XD

Easily the quip of the week.

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Khoraji
04.13.2012 , 01:14 PM | #347
Quote: Originally Posted by Stupster View Post
Just a quick note to agree with what most healers have said. Why heal, might as well be a dps. Woot for Sage/Inq dps, pointless to heal now.
I dont know about that. From my experience last night I am still outhealing any DPS.

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Astarica
04.13.2012 , 01:16 PM | #348
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
I dont know about that. From my experience last night I am still outhealing any DPS.
There's a huge difference between being able to outheal any one person's DPS and whether you'll live against that guy 1on1.

Though even before 1.2, a good DPS pretty much always wins against a healer 1on1. They can't win 1on2 (guarded), but that's 1on2.

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SKNugget
04.13.2012 , 01:17 PM | #349
Quote: Originally Posted by Uchoo View Post
maybe we can play the game instead of being keyboard warriors?
"Keyboard Warrior" is the group buff cast by any company when its servers are down.

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vollkel
04.13.2012 , 01:17 PM | #350
thank you for this thread, Darkammo!