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Operative PvP Nerfs LAWL

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Operative PvP Nerfs LAWL

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Bazzoong
04.13.2012 , 12:02 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by manlysnowball View Post
Thread was interesting, and for those people who are interested in crit, surge, power min/max...

http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forum...R-formula-list

Graphs

http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forum...nt.php?aid=251

http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forum...nt.php?aid=282

NB: Apparently there is no diminishing return on Power.
The new stat to max out is expertise, period. Going for 10% crit multiplier increase over approx. 125 expertise will put you at a severe disadvantage against a player who does it the other way around.
Anything below 1k expertise will be suicide, when facing players with full expertise gear especially if it comes to classes which can heal.

I recommend not to cut down on expertise and wait until you get WH gear before you go for surge (WH gear actually has some surge mods so strip them out and use them on all your gear, I would prioritize this over getting the full WH set since a lot of the pieces are actually a down grade from BM gear).

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GetRectified
04.13.2012 , 12:11 PM | #52
"My heart is *********** pounding" is the nerdiest thing I've ever heard regarding a video game duel...

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manlysnowball
04.13.2012 , 12:13 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Bazzoong View Post
The new stat to max out is expertise, period. Going for 10% crit multiplier increase over approx. 125 expertise will put you at a severe disadvantage against a player who does it the other way around.
Anything below 1k expertise will be suicide, when facing players with full expertise gear especially if it comes to classes which can heal.

I recommend not to cut down on expertise and wait until you get WH gear before you go for surge (WH gear actually has some surge mods so strip them out and use them on all your gear, I would prioritize this over getting the full WH set since a lot of the pieces are actually a down grade from BM gear).
I was thinking around 1200 exp (drop off point imo, if very mild one), 450 crit (Slow but relatively linear increase), 200-250 Surge (sharp drop-off here) and the rest ine Cunning or Power.

Ill only be taking some of my Enhancements out of my gear problem is I don't think I'm even close to 1200 yet with only a few BM peices left to get. So I'm going to get stuck with alot of accuracy

:*(

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vimm
04.13.2012 , 12:19 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Doxxs View Post
A stealth ambusher (ganker) is not a team dynamic archetype. It is designed for ganking.

If you can still do that you still have a working character.
Even a 31 concealment spec'd operative can heal people well, and clear DoTs and Debuffs. I always get at least 100k healing - I just can't resist using my heals, lol.
geeR
Phantom of the Operative

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Vaipyr
04.13.2012 , 12:20 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Izola View Post
I was a WOW Rogue and a VERY good one.

This always happens when a game first comes out, Burst classes get the nerf because underskilled players that don't understand game MECH complain that they get killed. They get it right after a while but it takes time.
Rogue =/= very good. Gank classes are just that, gank classes. They aren't skilled, they aren't cool. They're just gankers. Be invisible until someone is vunerable then pow pow stun prevent them from taking any action gank dead. Move on to the next one. Yawn.

Damage ops needed the nerfs. Healer ops didn't. Damage ops can still cheese their way into ganks as always. Hide, wait for someone to drop below 75% hp, appear stunlock gank lawl spit teabag move on thinking you're hot ****.

Yup, I have an op too (and a rogue in wow). You don't roll one for skill, you roll one to faceroll people and make them send you rage whispers so you can screenshot them and *** your epeen about it.

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Airoper
04.13.2012 , 12:24 PM | #56
l2p i loled when you said duel comp, a self healing class in a duel comp for 1v1 come on please that takes no skill to run kite heal slowly burn them down while you heal 10 full HP bars.

ive dueled you ops you are skillless im a immortal juggg & i burn 6-8 of you hp bars b4 you wear me down over 3-5min
fyi if you can self heal you dont belong in duels or WZ for that matter what a waste of space

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CoffeeAdict
04.13.2012 , 12:28 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaipyr View Post
Rogue =/= very good. Gank classes are just that, gank classes. They aren't skilled, they aren't cool. They're just gankers. Be invisible until someone is vunerable then pow pow stun prevent them from taking any action gank dead. Move on to the next one. Yawn.

Damage ops needed the nerfs. Healer ops didn't. Damage ops can still cheese their way into ganks as always. Hide, wait for someone to drop below 75% hp, appear stunlock gank lawl spit teabag move on thinking you're hot ****.

Yup, I have an op too (and a rogue in wow). You don't roll one for skill, you roll one to faceroll people and make them send you rage whispers so you can screenshot them and *** your epeen about it.
So you are saying it takes no skill whatso ever to play concealment/scrapper? Rofls because spamming gravround or tracer missle is soooooooo difficult.

The opening rotation for a concealment ops or scrapper isnt tricky, knowing who to attack, when to open up, trying to run away, and tryin to survive when you get focused is tricky

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manlysnowball
04.13.2012 , 12:29 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaipyr View Post
Rogue =/= very good. Gank classes are just that, gank classes. They aren't skilled, they aren't cool. They're just gankers. Be invisible until someone is vunerable then pow pow stun prevent them from taking any action gank dead. Move on to the next one. Yawn.

Damage ops needed the nerfs. Healer ops didn't. Damage ops can still cheese their way into ganks as always. Hide, wait for someone to drop below 75% hp, appear stunlock gank lawl spit teabag move on thinking you're hot ****.

Yup, I have an op too (and a rogue in wow). You don't roll one for skill, you roll one to faceroll people and make them send you rage whispers so you can screenshot them and *** your epeen about it.
Taking the bait here tbh but every class has an if/then collapsing decision tree. Ops are most effective doing what you say, but especially with the restealth bug, which still happens, it's not always a case of stealth mash stab stealth etc. etc.

Couple that with the fact that 50% of the WZ's now are a point stacking defend/attack affair it becomes a little trickier to first off drop somone without your stealth getting busted, then hope that no one is paying attention, because once our burst is gone thats all folks, then IF you get the kill off getting back into stealth w/o getting tagged or heaven forfend Force dotted.

And the skill isn't in getting a stunlock gank off, its getting them off all game.

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vimm
04.13.2012 , 12:32 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaipyr View Post
Rogue =/= very good. Gank classes are just that, gank classes. They aren't skilled, they aren't cool. They're just gankers. Be invisible until someone is vunerable then pow pow stun prevent them from taking any action gank dead. Move on to the next one. Yawn.

Damage ops needed the nerfs. Healer ops didn't. Damage ops can still cheese their way into ganks as always. Hide, wait for someone to drop below 75% hp, appear stunlock gank lawl spit teabag move on thinking you're hot ****.

Yup, I have an op too (and a rogue in wow). You don't roll one for skill, you roll one to faceroll people and make them send you rage whispers so you can screenshot them and *** your epeen about it.
There are more effective and team-oriented ways of playing stealth classes, besides ganking. You're definitely not mad, though.
geeR
Phantom of the Operative

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SableShadow
04.13.2012 , 12:38 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaipyr View Post
Yup, I have an op too (and a rogue in wow). You don't roll one for skill, you roll one to faceroll people and make them send you rage whispers so you can screenshot them and *** your epeen about it.
What happened to never rolling dps classes, just tanks?