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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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Rothoul
04.13.2012 , 11:21 AM | #251
Listening to the opinions of dps players is like attending a day long festival of Vogon poetry. Great healers pre 1.2 created a play style to create survivability against other great players. And it worked. But oh my.....the dps players whined, complained, cried, etc. to get them nerfed so they could kill them even faster now.

DPS players don't really care if they die. They are used to it but they do not want to see another team with a great healer that they must work hard to kill because that displaces their numbers too much and requires too much effort to deal with. They want to run in and slaughter everything, quickly. Healers want to live because we want to keep our team alive so they can achieve their goals. DPS players just don't give a piss about healers for the most part because if they care about them at all that means they would actually have to use tactics and strategy to deal with those on the opposite team.

Saying that a healer is bad now because their entire style has been unnecessarily altered and they are upset about this because of your infantile qqing to get nerfs is quite pathetic. Other dps players want healers to simply be their bit ches. "You roll wit me and you be good, otherwise solo you should have zero survivability." This is the dps player god syndrome where they think healers should only have viability in a well organized team work environment but outside this they should be able to kill them in 2 -3 shots and move on to the next victim.

Fact is, dps whores have no place to criticize the healers who are upset about having their play style altered. There were bugs that needed to be fixed but the truth is healing was nerfed because of dps whores crying and contacting customer service because they actually had to formulate a plan to deal with the healers and we just can't have that kind of intelligent thinking in a dpser now can we?

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Happy-Killer
04.13.2012 , 11:23 AM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by Rothoul View Post
Listening to the opinions of dps whores is like attending a day long festival of Vogon poetry. Great healers pre 1.2 created a play style to create survivability against other great players. And it worked. But oh my.....the dps whores whined, complained, cried, etc. to get them nerfed so they could kill them even faster now.

DPS whores don't really care if they die. They are used to it but they do not want to see another team with a great healer that they must work hard to kill because that displaces their numbers too much and requires too much effort to deal with. They want to run in and slaughter everything, quickly. Healers want to live because we want to keep our team alive so they can achieve their goals. DPS whores just don't give a piss about healers for the most part because if they care about them at all that means they would actually have to use tactics and strategy to deal with those on the opposite team.

Saying that a healer is bad now because their entire style has been unnecessarily altered and they are upset about this because of your infantile qqing to get nerfs is quite pathetic. Other dps whores want healers to simply be their bit ches. "You roll wit me and you be good, otherwise solo you should have zero survivability." This is the dps whore god syndrome where they think healers should only have viability in a well organized team work environment but outside this they should be able to kill them in 2 -3 shots and move on to the next victim.

Fact is, dps whores have no place to criticize the healers who are upset about having their play style altered. There were bugs that needed to be fixed but the truth is healing was nerfed because of dps whores crying and contacting customer service because they actually had to formulate a plan to deal with the healers and we just can't have that kind of intelligent thinking in a dpser now can we?
the only dps that got a real buff was warr/knights. DPS commando got the ultimate nerf *** ****. (especially gunnery, glad i am AS)

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xHurogx
04.13.2012 , 11:23 AM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by Shadenuat View Post
You should've DPSed him. Remind you, it's not the marauders who got that bonus DPS, everyone got it. I am BM myself and I can bring poorly geared marauder to 10% health if I give it up on heals and accept that I am going to die (unless he has all his shields good, of course, but that's what kiting is for).
You forget the 6 sec 99% damage redux cooldown for marauders, and the fact that he could have stealthed out as well to get away. Healers have almost NO escape abilities.
LMFAO you try kiting a *********** marauder.....yeah...doesn't happen.

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pathiss
04.13.2012 , 11:23 AM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by alanisUDL View Post
Some semi-truth regarding the Sorc -- they weren't OP vs competent teams, but they certainly weren't bad and not the worst.

In competitive play pre 1.2, it was Merc >>>>>>>> Sorc >>>> Operative.

Implying that Sorc's were the easiest to interupt and kill, while in the same argument ignoring that Operatives were significantly easier to shut down and interupt, really hurts your credibility.

It remains to be seen how things will shake out in 1.2, but your analysis of pre-patch healing is flawed.
Sadly you are wrong. My perspective is from playing all three competitively and is pretty dead on accurate.

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nallard
04.13.2012 , 11:24 AM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Happy-Killer View Post
the only dps that got a real buff was warr/knights. DPS commando got the ultimate nerf *** ****. (especially gunnery, glad i am AS)
All dps got a huge buff. Look at the changes to expertise.

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Quynhdolin
04.13.2012 , 11:25 AM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by amnie View Post
that still doesn't change the fact that in a 'quick game' (aka coming in really late, or a game 3 vs 8) the healer is the one most likely not getting the 3 medals needed to at least get .some. commendations.

I can deal with not getting as many commendations as everyone else, but a dps class definitely has it easier to get the 3 'starter medals' pretty quickly. since I no longer get 2 medals right away for healing for 5k (2.5k crit medal and 5k crit medal)... yeah... no chance.

that is .my. only problem with the new system. I actually agree that I shouldn't be able to survive against 2 people on my own. I am one of those that want to have playing be a challenge. but as it is right now, I will no longer join warzones unless I am in a full group. which is kinda bad since in the mornings there are not exactly all too many lvl 50s online to begin with, and that's where I often play. I guess I will use that time to play my sith alts or do dailies... but I'd rather play what I feel like, and not be forced to a certain play style.

apart from that I .enjoy. playing PUG warzones every once in a while. it's a great way to make new friends or even recruit people to my guild. there are actually a few people on my server that are really good who only solo or duo queue. I'd be sad if I didn't see them around anymore...

i'm sorry but medals are ridiculously easy to get now. you can get 3 even if you AFK for half the game. i didn't do ANYTHING one warzone except fight maybe 2 people and got like 10 medals.

does coming in really late or being put in teams of 3 vs 8 happen to you a lot? i guess that sucks, but honestly coming in really late is fine with me since that wz is about to end anyways. not really a waste of time.

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MightyRoy
04.13.2012 , 11:28 AM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Happy-Killer View Post
I bolded the important part. So in these objective based games you have to control points, and the only way to capture a point is to kill the people guarding it. .
Wrong. Ever heard of flash grenade?

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truchaos
04.13.2012 , 11:28 AM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Caeliux View Post
But when the match ends and all the people standing around realizes a healer just healed that Warzone in 1.2 for over 500k as a Sorc/Agent/BH, then they scratch their head wondering how the hell is people posting BS on the forums, and blowing steam up everyone's bum hole.
You, like many, seem to be stuck on how big the numbers that are posted at the end of a warzone are. 5 or 500k, the Size of the numbers themselves don't matter. This is not about how big or small those numbers are, this is about how Interchangeable they are between the different roles of a dps and a healer.

In a balanced system- the *base* thresholds between healers and dps would be equal, with the deciding factors being luck of the RNG in the allotted time and the Human element of skill or lack there of. Meaning that if you exchanged one class for another in terms of overall thresholds (healer for dps, or dps for healer) then the end would be equal. The amount of healing done would equal out for the loss of dps and the amount of dps would equal the loss of healing.

If they cannot be exchanged in equal measure then there is a failure in the core aspect of the balance- ie. if the healer who just healed your warzone for 500k was exchanged for an equally geared/skilled dps, would the dps gain equal or exceed the healing loss in the overall outcome of the event.

That issue is what is being brought into question here.
There are circumstances in which you can destroy an enemy, without loss to your own, and yet the victory may still be his. In all situations, you must first decide on the nature of victory, and then take steps to secure it. Avoid the instinct of fight first and think later.

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Happy-Killer
04.13.2012 , 11:28 AM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by nallard View Post
All dps got a huge buff. Look at the changes to expertise.
go read, heres a map:

1.2 patch notes -> Trooper -> Gunnery & combat medic.

that expertise does not make up for the total dps loss and the nerf to our crit

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PerronCedric
04.13.2012 , 11:28 AM | #260
bad healers will hate
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