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Jakoby
04.13.2012 , 10:36 AM | #101
It amazes me to hear all the trollers and fan boys say things like, "Don't let the door hit you on the way out", "Get over it and move on.", and "Looks like a smooth patch to me, Bioware is amazing as always."

Just so you guys are aware, NERF's kill MMO's. Every time developers release a patch and NERF something in the name of balance that fundamentally changes the way class rolls play, screws up rotations, or changes the mechanics of a particular build, people get upset. In this case entire groups of people were impacted and ARE upset. If you can't see that then you're in complete denial. If Bioware does this enough the server populations won't be their only issue... I for one am taking advantage of this unscheduled maintenance time to type out my disgust and check out Diablo III. I'm sure that's what Bioware had planned for me on this day off I took to play patch 1.2.

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Toraak
04.13.2012 , 10:44 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Jakoby View Post
It amazes me to hear all the trollers and fan boys say things like, "Don't let the door hit you on the way out", "Get over it and move on.", and "Looks like a smooth patch to me, Bioware is amazing as always."

Just so you guys are aware, NERF's kill MMO's. Every time developers release a patch and NERF something in the name of balance that fundamentally changes the way class rolls play, screws up rotations, or changes the mechanics of a particular build, people get upset. In this case entire groups of people were impacted and ARE upset. If you can't see that then you're in complete denial. If Bioware does this enough the server populations won't be their only issue... I for one am taking advantage of this unscheduled maintenance time to type out my disgust and check out Diablo III. I'm sure that's what Bioware had planned for me on this day off I took to play patch 1.2.
Then these people should never play MMO's. Every MMO class from Shadowbane to WoW that I've played is a never ending class nerf. They change something one day, and a couple of months later something else is being changed. This is how MMO's are done.

As an MMO player, you need to expect this, and adapt, or find something more enjoyable, whether it is a different class in the game, or a different game entirely.
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JamieKirby
04.13.2012 , 10:46 AM | #103
Well, before the whole reverting problem, i rather liked the 1.2 patch, the only ones complaining about the 1.2 patch are the types that hate change.

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Fifthorizor
04.13.2012 , 10:49 AM | #104
How are people able to say that this patch was fine? Probably the same people who beta tested 1.2 and couldn't find anything wrong. lol
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Jakoby
04.13.2012 , 11:07 AM | #105
Ok let's look at the positives:

1) Novare Coast is awesome.
2) Legacy class buffs are a nice touch.
3) You get a fluffy pet and 30 days free.
4) New Flash Point

Everything else to include most Legacy stuff is cosmetic and unimpressive due to the severe nature of the NERFs.

Negatives

1) Healing was nerfed for all classes and skill trees making it much more difficult to keep up with rage timers and Surge DPS
2) Fundamental changes were made to every skill tree generally forcing classes out of theory crafting hybrid builds. This has the potential to ruin an entire community genre of people who love to twink build toons. I am one of this number.
3) It was conceptually theorized that gear mods would be transferable to orange gear that people like better. HOWEVER, this can cost up to 500K per piece AND IT DOES NOT transfer the set bonus. Your BM and WH gear mods also carry the Expertise trait making it all that much harder to replace with Enhancements that have Surge, Crit, Power, etc that you would prefer to have in that gear set. I saw zero PvP gear that have surge?
4) Vender PvP prices have greatly increased.
5) Starter PvP gear is Blue?
6) Jedi Knight PvP and PvE Gear still looks like crap. To spite months of complaining about the BM PvP gear, the new WH gear is equally bad.
7) 30 days free only applies to 50's? Uhm what about everyone who does not have a 50 but has been in game since the beggining.

I hate to say it but the NERF's, gear changes and cost increases are overshadowing any positives in this patch for me.

Why would you release a patch that you know going in people are going to be sooo pissed that you have to give them a free month of game play?

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CobaltRing
04.13.2012 , 11:18 AM | #106
Hey, things get changed by people voicing their complaints. It's the sheep who always say "get over it, that's how life is." In all honesty, I see points from both sides--but I have to give the point to the whiners on this one...this patch is way under par for the things I had expected for legacy. In truth, this is really just added rewards for money grinds...and the rewards seem minor.

And on top of it...they reward the losers--who in God's name seriously had time to grind through that social? I've been playing since opening day and I'm not even Social 5 on my main toon (so how could I buy a Korrealis Baron?) Then valor 65 for the other Korrealis? WTH. Solo queuing I couldn't even get close to that in 3 weeks. Don't say I'm bad either, that's not an excuse...it's time invested versus reward output...and these people must've been playing 8 hours a day for 2 months...Who has time for that? How could we possibly have gotten these mounts? Guess I'm just done with the way MMO companies string their players along. If you put a reward in, keep it in. It's not special when you bust *** to get something then some loser with no job living on other people's paychecks grinds it no problem because they refuse to get a job in real life, then you reward them by taking it out of the game a week or two before somebody with a job can afford to buy it. Don't get me wrong, it does feel nice to have something that others don't, but why can't it just be from work, or achieving something special. It's a start doing datacrons, but why not special achievement datacrons, or keep those mounts in, too, for those who achieve these special things? I don't see the harm. It's not rocket science...things can be done differently.

Oh, and I have a champion PVP toon, so don't give me this "I grinded the pvp Valor 100 in 3 days." No you didn't, don't lie in the forums to make yourself look good. People can see right through that garbage.

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LordStark
04.13.2012 , 11:20 AM | #107
Bye and have a nice Weekend
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cdman
04.13.2012 , 11:20 AM | #108
I read until I got to "emplimented".

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brinaboo
04.13.2012 , 11:20 AM | #109
I am amazed that people are not being more patient. I do not and never would expect a game to be perfect right out the gate. But hey, that's me. leave or stay that is our personal opinion but quit bashing and hating. I would much rather they take the time to make things better than play a game that breaks or gets stagnant. This game is new, I haven't even played all the toons to 50 yet. I have yet to go into a warzone or operation. Hell, I'm having fun with the storyline and playing with that. I don't give 2 cents bout what my armor looks like as long as it is functional. Damn, give these guys a break. They have been busting their asses to bring the best game they can and all yall can do is gripe that it ain't perfect. What the hell is perfect ???

Bioware/Lucas for me personally, I will not go anywhere yet. I will give the same time I gave to WoW and make sure before I unsub. I think others should chill and reflect and have some patients before acting like a little child and "take their ball and go home". Bash if you want but that's what I think about all this jawjacking BS about it not being perfect.

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DizzyWho
04.13.2012 , 11:21 AM | #110
Another 1.2 slip.....and I do apologize if this was mentioned earlier, but honestly i couldnt keep reading the dribble.

RE'ing the new orange gear that you craft isnt able to be done....

It clearly says that it would be able to be RE'd. Yet everyone i know that has crafted any orange gear that is a weapon, although it states below the stats right click to RE this item...its a NO GO.

Other than that...not too bad ...I enjoyed the new content

Thanks for your time.