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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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Laparkapk
04.13.2012 , 11:00 AM | #221
To make 1 thing clear i am a Sith Sorc healing spec and healing gear... Even B4 1.2 facing off against ANY class of DPS 1V1 i could keep myself alive but i would ALWAYS die by the end eventually. if they where mirrored in gear to me i could NOT Dps them and i WOULD die cuz i would run out of Force power.... unless they where also healing spec or maybe a tank spec...cuz are DPS is completely useless, in almost full BM gear and i went a round for fun Full DPS no heals... i hit about 105K dam

We and Sages have Light armor ....that makes us get hit harder then the other healing class's.

we normally have less hp and only 1 instant heal witch is a DoT (Ooo 1K per cast) and Shield, if any smart DPS Interrupts and stuns BAM its over for us. There's a Jedi Sentinel on my Server i dual him for fun sometimes... i'v faced him at 100% hp when he was down to 20% hp B4 1.2 ...... when i died in about 6-7 seconds he finished with 27% hp. And your telling me we where Immortal?!!? lol learn your class's and what they have for move/spells ...know what and when to interrupt and you can down any sage/sorc (heals)

2v1 and yea it could take a while but i would STILL DIE... i'v seen troopers and Mercs with there heavy armor almost UN-touchable.

could you tweak and make us heal for less yes...that would of been fair but at this point like others have said your better off with 8 DPS and 6DPS and 2 Healers.

I agree with the Initial post on this topic 100%. ( Just had to put my point of view from a Light armor healer and my expirience)

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Karandor
04.13.2012 , 11:01 AM | #222
Good healers are even more important now than they were before 1.2 as the skill gap has been widened a lot.


This patch has made the PvP much less forgiving and you have to be on your game to do well.

The difference between a good player and a bad player has simply been amplified by the changes to healing. Before the patch even a mediocre to bad healer was generally worth having on a team because they were pretty easy to play and needed 0 resource management skills. Now a bad healer is just as bad to have on your team as a bad DPS.


The skilled healers that I've played with are still awesome, some healers that I had thought were good are now failing terribly.

I think healing may have been nerfed a little bit too much but as people are still adjusting to major changes in playstyle it's better to wait than freak out after less than a day of playing 1.2.

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Dartagon
04.13.2012 , 11:01 AM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by Cailen View Post
I would love to watch fraps or live stream of some of these healers that complain so I can see if they are just plain bad.

I have images in my head of people not using purge, cc's or line of sight and just standing still out in the open allowing everyone to beat on them and not running around.
You can come and watch me play any time. I can't stream. I don't care what anyone says, its really not a L2 Play, either there is a bug with gear or they overtuned the damage. In either case, this morning, whatever the scenario was it was fixed.

Yesterday my energy shield 25% mitigation wasn't doing squat. Today, this morning it was working.
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EbonFade
04.13.2012 , 11:04 AM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by benmartz View Post
I did however notice that bad healers are still bad. I think if anything that the forgiving grey area where meh healers could get away with being meh prior to 1.2 is now gone. I don't consider this to be an issue in any way.
So, it has nothing to do with healers and everything to do with the dps on your team. If your team can drop their team fast, your healers don't really have much work to do.

I've been in several wzs now, where almost no one on my team died, yet my total healing done was like 200k tops.

The problem arises when the other team has decent dps, and it has nothing to do with raw healing numbers (i've hit 680k healing several times yesterday), but rather the inability to heal through focus fire burst.

In that voidstar where I hit that number, I think half my team ate 6 or 7 deaths each. I simply couldn't keep them up. The tanks that were helping guard me were dying way too fast, and so forth.

Anyway, atm classes with cooldowns (eg Marauders) are kings, simply b/c they can prolong their life considerably longer than other dps classes can without needing a healer.

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Siega
04.13.2012 , 11:05 AM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by Vetril View Post
People say a healer vs a DPS should be a stale mate. Not really, they should kill each other roughly the same amount of times - and I underline that it should always end up with someone dead. But if you as a healer choose to never attack who's killing you, it's not anyone's problem but yours. Be proactive and start slapping people around while you slow down their DPS race. If you kill the enemies and you have 100% HP left, 50%, or 10%, it's all the same.
So you are say a healer should be able to - against a dps in same quality gear and skill - to heal through the burst damage the dps during stuns/interrupts and on top of that do enough white damage to outdo the white damage of the dps? Just trying to clarify what you mean.

I'll be alright with that, can we get that buff in 1.3, pretty please? I am sorry, I fear the bad dps will complain too much and get healers nerfed again.
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Occultsaga
04.13.2012 , 11:06 AM | #226
im sure that in a 2x2 situation, where one team is a healer-tank, or healer-dps, and the other team ia a tank-dps or dps-dps, the team with the healer will usually win, unless your partner or you sucks a lot.

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EchoTwoOmega
04.13.2012 , 11:06 AM | #227
After spending about 8 hours in WZ's yesterday here is what I see:

Healers standing still. They are so used to standing there and healing themself and others that they dont move.

Healers not using their knockbacks, stuns, slows, CC's, shields, expertise/healing consumables etc.

Healers have PLENTY of tools in order to survive they just need to use them now.
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Khoraji
04.13.2012 , 11:08 AM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Dartagon View Post
You can come and watch me play any time. I can't stream. I don't care what anyone says, its really not a L2 Play, either there is a bug with gear or they overtuned the damage. In either case, this morning, whatever the scenario was it was fixed.

Yesterday my energy shield 25% mitigation wasn't doing squat. Today, this morning it was working.
If this is true it is very odd. Maybe only on your server? As a merc healer myself I was doing fine yesterday, and my bubble def worked...saved my life a few times. Glad it is working better for you now.

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Siega
04.13.2012 , 11:08 AM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by Cailen View Post
I would love to watch fraps or live stream of some of these healers that complain so I can see if they are just plain bad.

I have images in my head of people not using purge, cc's or line of sight and just standing still out in the open allowing everyone to beat on them and not running around.
I do think one of the BH problems is not being able to run much around to do any healing at all? But sure, a healer is better running around than stopping up to heal now and then, I am sure.

BH cure is instant, could go spam that, I guess, so I can run up and down and all around. Worth a test run in the next wz.
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Caeliux
04.13.2012 , 11:08 AM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by Cailen View Post
I would love to watch fraps or live stream of some of these healers that complain so I can see if they are just plain bad.

I have images in my head of people not using purge, cc's or line of sight and just standing still out in the open allowing everyone to beat on them and not running around.
You have no idea how right you are about that. ^

There is a mass majority of healers that think tank and spank should happen in PvP.

There is some people that are good healers that understand LOS + KITING.
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