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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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Rothoul
04.13.2012 , 10:21 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by Canarith View Post
Pro or post nerf, I have never been 2 or 3 shot. Not even by an operative . No, never by a marauder either. Marauders do hit hard, but most of them I can heal through as a sorc.
Then you've never met a competent player. I always get marked from the get go, stunned or double stunned and the ra_pe fest begins. Now I've adapted to this to but the changes to healing were not necessary....yes yes fix the bugs. The double heal crap was something I never used. I didn't know it existed until a few days ago so yeah I healed fair and square and I'm telling you the nerfing FB to DI was unwarranted and unnecessary. Healing properly per 1.2 was hard as my survivability was constantly under attack.

And no, I did not spec all the way up. I grabbed overload with the root to live longer and still would die quite a bit as good, competent players would use their interrupts often on me. The point is not so much about heals now as it is about whining, crying dps whores who think they are gods and should be treated accordingly. As I've said before, my sniper is loving the kill fest and the qqing because the healers are starting to disappear. I actually live longer as a sniper and if you get close to me, well you are just about as dead as you were 35 meters away. Karma bit ches, Karma.

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Zipzik
04.13.2012 , 10:22 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by Erasimus View Post
Wrong again, about all I do is PvP in this game and in the over 8 years I've played MMOs I've always had a healer, most of the times my main. (Although on other games I've also done a fair bit of high end raiding.)

I stopped healing prior to 1.2 because it wasn't challenging. I may go back now and many of the healers I normally run with seem to be fine with the changes and are actually enjoying PvP more now.

Gear difference is huge and skill has become more critical. Small mistakes are magnified by the increase in DPS and decrease in healing. That is a fact. Does it need to dialed back maybe a bit? Sure I'll go along with that, but not too much. Personally I feel that the general direction of these changes has breathed new life into PvP, at least for me, and I was very close to un-subbing until 1.2.
You should have un-subbed

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SWImara
04.13.2012 , 10:23 AM | #173
One thing I will note in defense of those saying that healing is fine. The gear difference re-introduced in 1.2 through the hamfisted change to expertise is going to make non-Battlemaster players in a bad spot for a bit. I plan to basically junk my Champion/Centurion gear today and pick up the recruit set, basically starting over until I get full BM. Pre 1.2 playing in Centurion or Champion gear you were utterly fine against BM players if you were capable. The changes to expertise makes these sets decidedly undesirable now. Champion weapon is fairly worth holding on to, other than that it all seems to be garbage.

Fortunately it should only take a few weeks for gear to balance out again.

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Caeliux
04.13.2012 , 10:25 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by pathiss View Post
Actually he does. Sorc/Sage healers, while OP against puggers who didnt know how to interrupt and shut them down, were nearly worthless and a liability outside of huttball in competitive play against enemies that knew how to neuter them.

The other hidden truth is that operative healers were more than ok BEFORE the patch and probably the best all around healer for competitive play.

So what happened?

The weakest healer got nerfed and the strongest healer got buffed. The only semi reasonable change was to my merc. That one feels about right.
And yet again Sorc healers like myself is still producing huge numbers, and my pre-mades are winning.

You ever here this war quote?

"One person can shake a Empire with just a little effort and courage"

What does that mean?

A good player can shake a outcome in PvP if everyone is focusing and is playing as one.

FIN
Caeliux/Xuileak = Kinetic/Seer/Defense/Combat/Medic/Shield Specialist/Sawbones/Saboteur
Kaeliux/Xuileac = Bodyguard/Shield Tech/Medicine/Engineer/Darkness/Corruption/Immortal/Carnage

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pathiss
04.13.2012 , 10:26 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by Canarith View Post
Marauders do hit hard, but most of them I can heal through as a sorc.
A bad maurader perhaps. A good marauder isn't going to let you get enough heals off to save yourself even if you could somehow match the raw output.

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sithformydeath
04.13.2012 , 10:27 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Decoygaming View Post
The problem i have now is that alot of times people are dead before i can even get 1 cast of in Warzones. The so called "combat" balance is not there, matter of fact there is no combat since people drop like flies. One of my friends is a tank in pvp, he used to be very hard to kill now he is just some random guy that does no damage and dies like any other dps/healer. I do agree that nerfs were needed but this is way more imbalanced and something has to be done. I mean before you had several classes that could one shot people now every class seems to do it and that takes away from the "combat" in pvp since it will only last for 10 seconds tops.
lol assain tanks still do good dps. granted my assain tank lvl43 but to be at the top of the leader boards with 26kills and 3 deaths i doubt thatll change at 50

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Sookster
04.13.2012 , 10:28 AM | #177
Those screenshots are unusual, there were hardly any healers in several warzones I ran yesterday. With 1.2, DPS trumps healing, much like the way it was when the NGE first hit SWG, healing was so bad in the NGE that pvp was all about dps dps dps.

That first Voidstar screenshot looks bad, not very many kills all around and looks like everyone was just hitting each other, I'm betting there weren't that many BM geared players to begin with- I tried recruit gear on one of my toons, horrible stats but huge expertise increase.
Now that GoergZoeller is gone, buff operative.
SWTOR going F2P, now playing SWGemu.

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Eatmycritz
04.13.2012 , 10:29 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by sithformydeath View Post
lol assain tanks still do good dps. granted my assain tank lvl43 but to be at the top of the leader boards with 26kills and 3 deaths i doubt thatll change at 50
Yes because mediocre K/D=good dps?

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Dietra
04.13.2012 , 10:29 AM | #179
Ok apparently there are healers out there that like the change to their class and to the PVP system... I would like to ask if you could please then also post what class you play, so we can understand (or not understand) why you are happy with it.

I said it before in a post... sage healers (and sorcerers too I guess) had there skills adjusted... which already should have taken care of the perceived inbalance... Since other classes also had their skills adjusted for the same reasons.

But on top of that Bioware decided to also change the expertise % of healing and damage of the PVP itself. That is the part I don't understand...

Why not only adjust the classes itself to balance the skills... ?
Or only adjust the expertise % in the PVP.... why do both?

I sent an email to Bioware asking what their motives were for doing this, just to understand... but have not received an answer yet :-)

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pathiss
04.13.2012 , 10:29 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Caeliux View Post
And yet again Sorc healers like myself is still producing huge numbers, and my pre-mades are winning.
Try fighting something other than pugs, because a competent enemy is going to easily shut you down with interrupts even if they cant eat through guard. You simple lack of perspective is telling me you are simply steamrolling pugs with a premade and trying to make that mean something more than it is in regards to your skill level.

We have absolutely no problems shutting down saqe or sorc healers in competitive play. Of course I play with good players.