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Should have given 30 days to everyone subbed since release

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Should have given 30 days to everyone subbed since release

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Styxx
04.13.2012 , 10:07 AM | #961
Quote: Originally Posted by Varinm View Post
I think this is more where BW is coming from.

They don't want 50s to stop playing.

Also, 50s are more effected by the changes, since they played up with old skills, have probably been running HMs and ops with old skills, etc.

Also, there is even less end-game content (with the end of Illum daily).

They are kissing-up to 50s, begging them not to quit.

If you enjoy the story, have 20 alts on 4 servers, and a SWTOR blog, you're not going to quit because your skill trees are different, and BW knows that.

If you have 1 main toon whose name strikes fear into the other faction, and suddenly your blaster rifle whimpers when you hold it, you might end your sub.

30 days gets frustrated 50s some time to "see what happens."
Those 50`s are rolling alts that boost your worthless green/blue hide through heroics and whatnots.

Those 50`s will ask for their guild to send a high level to finally boost you through those heroics you can`t find a tank for and been sitting for hours LFG...while you are JUST lucky enough to be grouped with someone that knows one.

Those 50`s have alts in your range that will pass for gear that might be needed otherwise, giving you a free piece of gear.

So, ya... some actually are more useful to the general "health" or a server ... but we are talking about the actual game, now, not the Forum...

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TheRealYukonSam
04.13.2012 , 10:07 AM | #962
Ah, I see. When they say, "reward for loyal players", what they really mean is "bribe to sway disloyal scum".

It's a semantics problem.

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solikepoison
04.13.2012 , 10:07 AM | #963
Quote: Originally Posted by Smeeba View Post
This is so out of order if they're going to give out free time for no real reason then it should be given to everyone. I'll not be playing for much longer if this is how they treat players.
Everyone stop complaining and crying, their giving something to people who worked hard to get to level 50, its a reward so chill and quit allready then. People spend all day threatening to quit when a game doesn't go their way and gives rewards to people who worked to get level 50, people like this are like people asking for a change. Like someone wants a new type of candy bar cus their tired of a brand of candy bar, so they ask for a new one even though they hate candy bars to begin with.

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Sycopat
04.13.2012 , 10:08 AM | #964
I would point out that this is a marketing ploy, not a 'reward'. Don't get hung up on the wording, it's pure marketing.

Current subscribers, even those with lvl 50's are not it's targets. They're just lucky.

It's targets are ex-subscribers with lvl 50's.

aka: The players of other MMO's who came along, tried the game for a bit and then went 'home' again.

Players who Bioware might be able to lure back now. Especially, how shall i put this, people who may not be too impressed by panda's.

Being pissed off you don't qualify for this is like being pissed off your favourite cereal sometime gives away free kids toys you have no use for.

This being rolled out tells me two things:

The portion of players with 50's is low enough that this won't cost bioware too much if it goes wrong.

Of the portion of players with 50's, the number who have lapsed subs is high enough that the fraction of players who will come back for a few extra months will cover the cost of it.

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WrecklessMEDIC
04.13.2012 , 10:08 AM | #965
Quote: Originally Posted by Cindron View Post
It's very simple why so many of us are upset.

Bio, intentionally or not is clearly saying to us: "hey you play hard and got level 50 have a month free on us because you are our most loyal. The rest of you even though you have the same active accounts and pay same amount, and somehow never managed to get a single character to level 50 in 120 days, (we seriously never even thought that was possible) you just continue to play and pay us, thanks!"

Oh wait, they didn't even say thanks did they, sorry my bad.
Fixed it for you.

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Crito
04.13.2012 , 10:09 AM | #966
Quote: Originally Posted by Ecilin View Post
as i have stated before its not about the reward its the lack of respect. one group in a MULTIPLAYER GAME should not be singled out by a game developer and told there better then the rest.
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This. So very this. ahem.

I could not care less whether I get 30 days free or not. I am however, furious about being made to feel that I am a less valued customer than any other.
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WitchDrAsh
04.13.2012 , 10:09 AM | #967
Quote: Originally Posted by Elear View Post
I'm saying lvl50 is more valuable, because he keeps others in game. If they lose one guy below 50, it hurts them less than losing one guy at 50 that is likely to pull others after him. That's math.

I'm not saying that alienating part of player base is good idea, but then, it's impossible to please everyone. No gifts, and other people would be raging. Even with gifts for everyone someone would complain.
I don't think it's math, it's conjecture and anecdote, plenty of my friends quit wow before the cataclysm level cap, why 1 of my friends quit first, he only ever hit the level cap during wrath, blizzard lost 8 subs because he quit because the group fell apart.

Seen entire guilds quit because the leader leaves, it's people not levels that allow people to stick with games, eventually they are all max level because it's impossible, given enough time, to not hit the level cap. Being 50 doesn't give you magic sub keeping powers, being an active part of a group does, the level aspect is entirely irrelevant

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Alcarinn
04.13.2012 , 10:10 AM | #968
Quote: Originally Posted by Crito View Post
Someone else who just doesn't get it.

Look, if BW had said they would be giving free game time to randomly selected players in some kind of lottery, I'd understand. I'd even think it was a cool idea. The real issue has nothing to do with money though. It's about whether customers feel valued by the company they buy from.

To give you an analogy, I have 2 convenience stores near where I live. I go to the one that's a bit further away and is a bit more expensive because the sales staff are nicer; more polite.

BW need to understand that its not a good idea to alienate some of your customers by implying that their custom is less valued. Totting out lazy cliches about schools sports days doesn't make you sound clever at all. It just shows that you don't understand customer relations and marketing.

The reality is that there are several new MMOs on the horizon and all of us SWTOR players will make a decision (consciously or not) about whether to continue to play SWTOR or move over to one of these new games. When that time comes, many people will not simply make a decision based on the merits of the game, but also on how they were treated as customers.
@bold part...

Soooooo do you play the game based on how valued you are....

I usually play the game cos i like to regardless of what silly PR says.
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Smeeba
04.13.2012 , 10:11 AM | #969
Quote: Originally Posted by solikepoison View Post
Everyone stop complaining and crying, their giving something to people who worked hard to get to level 50, its a reward so chill and quit allready then. People spend all day threatening to quit when a game doesn't go their way and gives rewards to people who worked to get level 50, people like this are like people asking for a change. Like someone wants a new type of candy bar cus their tired of a brand of candy bar, so they ask for a new one even though they hate candy bars to begin with.
Worked ?? there i was thinking this was a recreational pursuit !?! Why is it the trolls always come out to feed when they have something and others don't. This has nothing to do with any type of change it is about a company giveing cash benifits to a certain group of players and not others.

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Kourage
04.13.2012 , 10:11 AM | #970
Quote: Originally Posted by Loxone View Post
As the thread title states. I have been subbed to SWTOR since pre-release and rarely complained about any of the decisions the devs had made but the free 30 days has been done wrong if you ask me.

Just because my playstyle (I have a lvl 48 and a bunch of alts) I don't get the 30 free days?

Bioware is offering 30 free days to anyone that has a lvl 50 no matter how long they've supported the game and they are also offering 6 days to the people that stopped subbing to the game, but nothing for those of us that either don't play as much or make a bunch of alts or both.

I realize that very few of you forum goers fall into this category but I think most of you will agree that in addition to those with level 50 characters, all accounts that have been subbed since release deserve the free 30 days as well.

It's ironic that this is the first thing Bioware has done that makes me want to cancel my sub and show my appreciation right back to Bioware.

What is their reason for doing it? I bet it's because of all the complaints from hardcore players who already reached 50 more than once, and have full sets of the best gear possible. They are bored and have nothing to do, they have been saying.

That's why BioWare is rewarding them. Because they stay subbed, even though they completed all the content. If you aren't 50, then you have lots of content to keep you busy.
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