I don't think we are in Warhammer situation.

I'm sorry, what?
You're realise you are talking about one of the most popular Sci-fi's ever, right?
That people have been ROLEPLAYING in for the better part of... 30 years?
They're not just going to up and drop the game for 'the next big thing' because there is no 'next big thing' for RP when you want Starwars RP.

I'm very sorry but no, PvPers and PvEers will be the ones to kill this game with their ridiculous demands.

Well, with the new patch being completely borked, we might be.

rerolled to pre 1.2 status afaik. Black Hole gone, Crystal Vendor back, Guild Bank gone. Strangely enough the UI is still supposedly working.

Atleast Warhammer online has the Best RvR system to-date, i can face 100vs100 without it lagging, which is kinda neat.

Did you play WAR at launch ? Apparently not.

If you were serious, I'd get behind that.

I'm here for KOTOR 3. It seems the devs took KOTOR 3, tried to mash in enough to call it an MMO so they could get subs...

I'm no MMO fan... like at all... but by reading posts, it seems they failed.

EA is also alienating people like me, who wanted a single player game all along, and the only topics I hear about is... PVP... raids... and not one damn word about chapters 4+

I was a big defender of the game, but it's gone now. I’m guess EA is backpeddling and trying to put in more MMO stuff in TOR at the last minute.

I’m not saying everyone, but, from my impression…

MMO fans are upset, because any semblance to MMO content and features is being added at a “too little too late” pace.

RP / Story fans like myself are upset because there is barely a mention about new chapters, new planets with new stories, etc… now all advertising is about WZ, and ranked PVP (pulled), and new raids, and… argh…

(It bears repeating = Legacy has nothing to do with Story. It’s a treadmill. MMO fans can speak for themselves. But this RP / Story player isn’t happy with Legacy. That money should have gone to getting chapters / levels / planets in sooner… at least IMO)

EA managed to upset both sides of the playerbase… at once.

Maybe I’m having a bad day, but I’m really REALLY sick the whole thing. Spacebar people that talk loud enough that EA / BW is now focusing on PVP / Raids. EA / BW not even saying squat about future story plans.

Was a big defender of TOR… but now… EA / BW should have done an either / or.

Made TOR pure MMO, no story to keep the spacebar people happy, and just do a great MMO, and I wouldn’t have wasted my money here.

or Made TOR an SPOG, no raids / no PVP to keep people like me happy, and do a great online single player game (to BLANK pirates), and MMO people wouldn’t have wasted their money here.

But story / MMO… it’s chocolate and tuna fish. Doesn’t go together. Because, just as I’m sure some people don’t want to hear about “new stupid story they’d have to spacebar through”, I don’t want to hear about “new stupid PVP / raids that I’ll never play in”.

Oh well. My guess is, that by the time I’ve done all 8 character arcs, the re-focus on PVP / Raids will have chased off most of the KOTOR-3 fans… but, since the MMO part feels like an “add on” to a single player game, it’ll be “too little to late” for the MMO crowd.

I’d love to be wrong.

Well, with the new patch being completely borked, we might be.

rerolled to pre 1.2 status afaik. Black Hole gone, Crystal Vendor back, Guild Bank gone. Strangely enough the UI is still supposedly working.

Don't mind him. PvPers like to think they represent some giant majority when, in fact, they are only minor. A lack of pure PvP MMOs indicates this more than anything else.

Cant see that happening anytime soon in SWTOR... it can barely run 8 v 8 WZ's without serious FPS drops across a wide spread of hardware setups... lets not even go onto Illum or the complete emptyness of open World PVP full stop.

Personally I think before this game can really take other MMO's on in any serious capacity it needs to first sort out its performance issues... then install the features its already crying out for such as LFG, rPVP, Endgame without bugs.. then maybe it can start to build on all the good stuff like Story, Legacy, Crafting ...

Quality before Quantity then it will really have something to shout about to the rest of the gaming community. ... BUT I am not confident there is enough sand left in the hour glass for it to reach the dizzy heights it was proclaimed to do, instead just fall in line with all the others behind the you know who's in the industry.... still there is hope and I hope they do because there is definately potential in this game.

Yeah, give them a couple of years and maybe SWTOR can.

Although certainly Ilum at Live was much worse than WAR in an RvR basin at Live, which suggests SWTOR isn't even as optimised for PvP performance as WAR was when released.