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Dungeon Finder System Eventually


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Mishko
04.13.2012 , 06:09 AM | #231
Still WoW has biggest community today, and LFG tool helps.
I dont care for community i just want to play game i payed...
(dont tell me to rerol, coz i already have 50 lvl and lvling is pain)

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Gereorth
04.13.2012 , 06:15 AM | #232
I wouldn't mind having a tool which will make it easier to find a group. Sometimes it is quite annoying and hard to find a full group, by spamming the General chat. It would make it somewhat easier, and fun for the players, to have a tool where you queue up for a dungeon. It creates a group by itself, from the roles that have been selected.
While waiting for a group to be made, you can do some stuff on Corellia or anywhere you would like.
Now you have to keep spamming in the General chat of the Fleet to look for people. Cross-server dungeons aren't needed in this game.
I got the stuff, if you got the credits. If not, beat it kid!

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Pervejbirk
04.13.2012 , 06:27 AM | #233
Quote: Originally Posted by Mishko View Post
Still WoW has biggest community today, and LFG tool helps.
I dont care for community i just want to play game i payed...
(dont tell me to rerol, coz i already have 50 lvl and lvling is pain)
Right So you want to have fun and don't give a damn that the community would be trashed and people would cancel subscriptions. New people being chased away. people avoiding buying the game.. Remember a community is not only a single game but a unity. People from one game will hear from others. And yes WoW still have one of the biggest Communities out there But consider this. WoW have gone from 14mill to 12mill to 9mil then down to by the last static 7.6million subscription in less then two years. Care to do the math? Oh and the decline in subscription can be tracked back to when Dungeon finder where released. people left in droves and other games have come out which have lured even more people away with the promise of better communities and new experiences to try out.
Also remember these golden statements made by some rather famous people.
Humanity as a whole is egocentric cruel&Abusive and greedy.
A mob is not more intelligent then most stupid individual.
Always bet on stupidity and you will never be disappointed.

Also Mishko one of the reason why so many servers are empty these days is that BW had the right numbers when it came to the launch of the game but failed to take into consideration that ALL MMO have a rough 40 to 60% drop in subscription with in the first two months after the newness and hype of the game have worn off.
So we are left with a game with fare to many servers in my book the way to solve that would be to merg empty servers with medium population servers thus bringing the number on the remaining servers up once again.
Quote: Originally Posted by Gereorth View Post
I wouldn't mind having a tool which will make it easier to find a group. Sometimes it is quite annoying and hard to find a full group, by spamming the General chat. It would make it somewhat easier, and fun for the players, to have a tool where you queue up for a dungeon. It creates a group by itself, from the roles that have been selected.
While waiting for a group to be made, you can do some stuff on Corellia or anywhere you would like.
Now you have to keep spamming in the General chat of the Fleet to look for people. Cross-server dungeons aren't needed in this game.
I agree completely with the sentiment behind having an group generator as i stated in my wall of text on page 23 :P.

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Gereorth
04.13.2012 , 06:31 AM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by Pervejbirk View Post
I agree completely with the sentiment behind having an group generator as i stated in my wall of text on page 23 :P.
So much pages to read, I realy couldn't check all pages, just basicly share my opinion. (:
I got the stuff, if you got the credits. If not, beat it kid!

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Pervejbirk
04.13.2012 , 06:33 AM | #235
Quote: Originally Posted by Gereorth View Post
So much pages to read, I realy couldn't check all pages, just basicly share my opinion. (:
heh i know :P i normally also only read the first three or four pages and then skip back to the last one to reply :P

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ChosenHell
04.13.2012 , 06:48 AM | #236
Quote: Originally Posted by Pervejbirk View Post
ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!
WALL OF TEXT INCOMING!!

Actually NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
As an Old WoW player i can tell you just how bad a cross server flashpoint finder/operation finder would be.
On WoW yes before the dungeon tool it where a tad hard to get groups but when you did find groups people knew they job they where polite and help full.
Then Cross Realm Dungeon find came out and group moral dropped dramatically it became a MEMEMEMEME rush since everyone just wanted they thing and if the thing they where after didn't drop they screwed over groups and left them hanging, People started ninja'ing left and right. the language moral (Not talking speaking country language but verbal use of it) Went from generally polite to people screaming and yelling at each others slinging out words like "omg u f**king noob" at the smallest miss steps since after all being cross realm the chance of them having to group with the same person more then once where extremely low and not being on the same server your actions didn't carry any consequences over to they own server where back before cross realm being a jerk in groups only served to bit your self in the rear as it would get around and people would stop grouping with you at all.

And as i final word i say.
I'm Fully behind either a Dungeon Finder (not like in Wow where you magically gets teleported to the instance and then back to where ever you where before) Or at lest a Gobal LFG channel!
I can give an exsample.
In rift they had a Dungeon finder that allowed to you sign up for a random group on your server and when you get auto invited into a group you then had to travel to the instance in quest on foot. Now in rift this could be abit annoying since most groups instances where pretty damn fare away from everything.
But in Tor the problem aint that big. All planets (other then Ilum) have Fleet shuttles if not next to then damn close to a travel path which you can QT right to and then bingo your on fleet.

Ps.
I don't remember if it where Metacritic or one of the other big MMO sites.
But back after the Cross realm dungeon finder in respons to the drop in how people behaved in groups a survey made that "award" WoW with having the most immature and Self centered Community of all the MMO's which where sad since no more then 8months prior it had been placed in the top 3 best MMO Community THAT'S how badly the Cross realm dungeon finder effect the general grouping moral

The community and personal behavior/social problems was developing prior to the release of dungeon finder. Most people had blinders on because they were in their own little world within that community(realm server).

Sadly the behavioral issues that plague MMO's currently will not be disappearing anytime soon with or without cross-realm or realm only dungeon finder.

Cross-realm or realm only dungeon finder is fine. It's there for the people who can benefit from it the most and doesn't impede progress for players who do not want to use the tool.

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Valhalyn
04.13.2012 , 07:02 AM | #237
Our community is already full of elitist jerks and ******es, I personally am one of them. If I get a random group together after spending that hour looking for a group I give people 3 chances.

Now I cant tell how bad someones dps is, but I can tell when they arent attacking my target. As a tank thats the first warning. I'll tell the entire group why its easier to attack my target while I AoE the rest.

Second warning, attacking a gold mob before regulars or silvers. I mark all of my kill orders for bosses, I explain boss fights as I know that some people just havent done the FP's yet, I show or tell them what to kill. If someone ignores that and stays on the boss or attacks the other target before my first kill target is dead thats the second warning.

Third Warning, Jumping ahead of me/knockbacks. I've explained countless times not to pull for me in dungeons, you tank it you spank it. Using the AoE Knockback while I'm trying to Tank will result in the third warning, and at that point I dont say another word. I just leave the group and go back to dailies or crafting. I dont need the stupid ****, if you're not willing to learn how to play the game I'm not willing to teach you, and as you can see I do try to teach.


The one last thing that pisses me off. I've been ninja'd once, now in these FP's thats actually a big deal as its not easy to get back in and do it all over again unless you're in a guild group. Anyways, A Sent needed a Light Armor Consular piece...Why? Because his companion could use it as an upgrade. Thats an auto leave.


Cross server LFG wont mean or change the community at all, you still have those same elitist jerks and bad players on every server. Either way if you look for a group you will find one of these. In my experience on WoW most people never even talked to each other. And most of the people complaining about LFD Cross server were probably the bad players that got trolled for being new or just overall terrible...What did you expect from people that put in time to play the game, especially in Cataclysm when Dungeons were MUCH harder than Wrath. If you were bad and ruined someones run, you were going to get balled out. You should have gotten a guild run together or spent some time reading about the class and how to play it...instead of Auto Shotting like a tard and thinking your best.

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Pervejbirk
04.13.2012 , 07:10 AM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by ChosenHell View Post
The community and personal behavior/social problems was developing prior to the release of dungeon finder. Most people had blinders on because they were in their own little world within that community(realm server).

Sadly the behavioral issues that plague MMO's currently will not be disappearing anytime soon with or without cross-realm or realm only dungeon finder.

Cross-realm or realm only dungeon finder is fine. It's there for the people who can benefit from it the most and doesn't impede progress for players who do not want to use the tool.
quite true ChossenHell.
What I'm saying is the Cross realm dungeon finder worked as a catalyst to take something that where slowly very slowly starting to creep inside and then intensifying the issue by removing the.. (hmm shall we say penalty?) being a jerk by having people group cross realm where that actions didn't follow them back to they own server making them not care about how much a jerk they where being toward those that where grouping with.
Back in the days before dungeon finder where people had to group with others from they own server. If they where acting as jerks it reflected badly on they reputation and made it even harder for those people to find groups as word got around (Hell i number of people to they guild leaders/officers for being ninja's and jerks since if a guild your actions reflect not on your self but your whole guild) So that's why I'm passionately against Cross Server Flashpoint finder. But all for a Dungeon finder that's limited to your own server and faction.

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Pervejbirk
04.13.2012 , 07:21 AM | #239
Valhalyn
While i don't agree with you on the dungeon finder thing. I completely and totally feel for you on the other points.
Here on Tor I play as Tank DPS and Healer.
I have played those roles since back in 99 where i started on EQ (gosh! feel so old saying that!)
And i have always prided my self with always taking my sweet time to learn my class and its role down to the letter which can also be reflected on the feed back I'm getting here in Tor.. In Tor my tank is a Jug meaning i have hard time keep crowds of mobs focused on me as it is which don't help when someone then starts attacking another mob then what i have designated for them to kill.
or When as a healer the tank gos and pulls (yes that's his job after all :P) with out checking on if the group is ready or not (pre 1.2 it could sometimes be hard to see how much Force/energy/armor the healer had left but that's fixed in 1.2) and then charges in while your on low force (in my case) and then throwing the blame over at me because he died as i had no force to heal with.
As a Marauder i always if we are figthing a group of mobs go for the order normal strong elite unless anything else have been stated since normal mobs gos down fast in flashpoints meaning you more quickly lessen the load on the tank damage wise, or if a mob breaks away i try to intercept it and bring it back to the tank if possible so he taunt it before i go back to killing the designated target.

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ChosenHell
04.13.2012 , 07:42 AM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by Pervejbirk View Post
quite true ChossenHell.
What I'm saying is the Cross realm dungeon finder worked as a catalyst to take something that where slowly very slowly starting to creep inside and then intensifying the issue by removing the.. (hmm shall we say penalty?) being a jerk by having people group cross realm where that actions didn't follow them back to they own server making them not care about how much a jerk they where being toward those that where grouping with.
Back in the days before dungeon finder where people had to group with others from they own server. If they where acting as jerks it reflected badly on they reputation and made it even harder for those people to find groups as word got around (Hell i number of people to they guild leaders/officers for being ninja's and jerks since if a guild your actions reflect not on your self but your whole guild) So that's why I'm passionately against Cross Server Flashpoint finder. But all for a Dungeon finder that's limited to your own server and faction.

I agree it was a catalyst.