I don't think we are in Warhammer situation.

Warhammer was always under ea, it was goa that did the most damage to warhammer and it took years for ea to get rid of goa and try and sort it out.

Can't believe I wanted to play FFXIV so badly! I've never actually played it but the races look so cute! I love the anime style but I hear it's very unresponsive and the crafting's a nightmare based on Moon cycles or something.

Deleted. No point. Everyone is TLDR these days. +See Sig.

WAR had a massive hemorrhaging of subscribers early. Then they lost more subs when the one month, 3 month, and six month pre-paid subs ran out.
WAR had a roughly 100 million dollar budget, half that of the SWTOR budget, and they still failed.

so basicly they should ignore the pvp ppl. or they have a warhammer game on their hands?

Also, I plan on trying out Tera. The biggest problem I see with it so far is worrying about not being able to rebind "F" for pick up items to a skill, and make right click pick up items instead and finding a way to mouse turn.

I think that Bioware has done a great job of this game. It is engaging and fun to play, there is always something to do and I never run out of quests to fill my gaming time. As someone who has just finished Chapter 1, I found the story lines of main and single quests to be enjoyable enough not to spacebar through them. Having said that, I can tell you that after the 50th quest in WoW, all I was doing was clicking to get the thing into my log and the same with other games. What Bioware did is a vast improvement.

What people seem to conveniently forget about WoW is the days of downtime at the beginning with little or no compensation. You want to talk bugs, remember the mail bug or being stuck on a taxi? How about falling through the center of the world entering dungeons or being shut out of dungeons altogether? Every game has launch bugs. Just because people forget this crap doesn't mean it didn't go on.

SWTOR has a lot going for it. Grow up and have some patience.

I too was looking forward to playing the game at launch. Have the CE still unopened. Waiting for version 2.0 when it "relaunches". The difference between that game and SWTOR though is that while FFXIV had a pretty bad launch.. it's been steadily improving and I'm genuinely excited about any new information that comes out about on it. Where as with SWTOR 1.2 did nothing for me. What did it really add to the game besides some fixes that need to be fixed. A new OP and a new FP? They'll keep you busy for a whole week before the new paint smell wears off.

mythic should start working on TOR.. for future RvR based expansion,rvr lakes on planets,capital siege,etc...


WAR was great game and was better mmo than TOR,but forgotten by EA masters in start.

It stabilised post Xmas after release, but then they brought in a hugely bad balance patch in april-ish which caused another exodus.

WAR had a decent development budget, but it wasn't read to be launched (it doesn't matter how much was spent, it doesn't alter that reality) and then EA destroyed the Dev team in late Beta so it didn't have the Dev resources it desperately needed to bring to bear once Live.

EA seem to have learnt that lesson with SWTOR, at least, they've kept a very strong development budget post-Live (so far anyway).