I don't think we are in Warhammer situation.

For a while if you mean first two months i agree. AOC and WAR are known for the fastest decline in player base after release for a reason.

I have to disagree with you on this one. While I'm not a huge Tera fan or supporter, I did just play the Closed Beta weekend and I have to say, the Unreal engine works flawlessly. It looks beautiful and runs smooth on max settings, something this game has serious trouble with. I'm not bashing ToR here but even the devs have said that 'chat bubbles' (just using this as an example) had to be pulled for the instability it caused with the engine. The other thing that was refressing with Tera was that it felt like an MMO. Was it a bit grindy? Sure, but it was open world, it wasn't lifeless, and it had most, if not all of the features that people come to expect of an mmo.

Again, don't get me wrong. I'm not leaving to play Tera anytime soon but I would imagine that there are a good few that will. It's not a bad game. That's not saying that ToR is, it's just that they're 2 different types of games. Honestly I wouldn't classify ToR as an mmo.

You keep changing the goal post bro.

Warhammer was unplayable at release and months after, to do pvp was impossible because of an engine bug that caused every player to lag horrible.

The community had to fix this by releasing an addon called "Buff throttle" so that you could play atleast a bit more fluent.


SWTOR was playable from day 1, no major lagspikes steady 100 fps on modern pc´s.


Warhammer did also close servers, forced you to rename your chars on a strange server where you didnt want to be at all. At this point I stopped playing, months wasted and still no fix for the engine bug was in place by the puplisher.



SWTOR has some issues, like the grass pop up, tiny draw distance and high rez textures that still dont seem to work properly. But atleast you can log in and play the game

If you were serious, I'd get behind that.

I'm here for KOTOR 3. It seems the devs took KOTOR 3, tried to mash in enough to call it an MMO so they could get subs...

I'm no MMO fan... like at all... but by reading posts, it seems they failed.

EA is also alienating people like me, who wanted a single player game all along, and the only topics I hear about is... PVP... raids... and not one damn word about chapters 4+

I was a big defender of the game, but it's gone now. I’m guess EA is backpeddling and trying to put in more MMO stuff in TOR at the last minute.

I’m not saying everyone, but, from my impression…

MMO fans are upset, because any semblance to MMO content and features is being added at a “too little too late” pace.

RP / Story fans like myself are upset because there is barely a mention about new chapters, new planets with new stories, etc… now all advertising is about WZ, and ranked PVP (pulled), and new raids, and… argh…

(It bears repeating = Legacy has nothing to do with Story. It’s a treadmill. MMO fans can speak for themselves. But this RP / Story player isn’t happy with Legacy. That money should have gone to getting chapters / levels / planets in sooner… at least IMO)

EA managed to upset both sides of the playerbase… at once.

Maybe I’m having a bad day, but I’m really REALLY sick the whole thing. Spacebar people that talk loud enough that EA / BW is now focusing on PVP / Raids. EA / BW not even saying squat about future story plans.

Was a big defender of TOR… but now… EA / BW should have done an either / or.

Made TOR pure MMO, no story to keep the spacebar people happy, and just do a great MMO, and I wouldn’t have wasted my money here.

or Made TOR an SPOG, no raids / no PVP to keep people like me happy, and do a great online single player game (to BLANK pirates), and MMO people wouldn’t have wasted their money here.

But story / MMO… it’s chocolate and tuna fish. Doesn’t go together. Because, just as I’m sure some people don’t want to hear about “new stupid story they’d have to spacebar through”, I don’t want to hear about “new stupid PVP / raids that I’ll never play in”.

Oh well. My guess is, that by the time I’ve done all 8 character arcs, the re-focus on PVP / Raids will have chased off most of the KOTOR-3 fans… but, since the MMO part feels like an “add on” to a single player game, it’ll be “too little to late” for the MMO crowd.

I’d love to be wrong.

Your memory is a bit selective.

Tor had months of complaining and threads outlining ability delay, with arguing back and forth. People getting horrid performance even with good pc's only to be dismissed. And ultimately they removed ilum pvp from the game because they couldn't rectify the performance issues.

what are you on about, i said that the rvr system in warhammer was a great concept but the servers were trash, so which goal posts are you on about exactly.

Look back over the full topic and tell me i said something different, i dare you.

Your memory is a bit selective.

Tor had months of complaining and threads outlining ability delay, with arguing back and forth. People getting horrid performance even with good pc's only to be dismissed. And ultimately they removed ilum pvp from the game because they couldn't rectify the performance issues.

SLI still doesn't work right with Antialiasing turned on. If I enable it I still get the corrupted load screens and crashes, so I have to run on just one card if I want AA.