I don't think we are in Warhammer situation.

Warhammer can easily do that now (and for a good 1-2 years now), far too late I agree, but it still can.

From your perspective. From the perspective of many - perhaps most customers - there is a rightful expectation that the product for which they have shelled $80 + monthly fee would be polished and playable. They rightfully expect that the game would be thoroughly tested prior to release, and that gamers would not serve the function of laboratory guinea-pigs.

Many paying customers will see the constant downtime this week + including the patching of the patch within 12 hours + the sudden reversal on ranked PvP + the incredibly slow download speeds of the patch from the overtaxed servers (it took me at least 10 hours on a relatively speedy internet connection) as frustrations they should not have to endure.

You need to recognise that while you might be prepared to be a martyr out of loyalty to a multinational software company and a science fiction franchise, most of us expect value for money. Most of us have limited time and resources and cannot afford to stuff about with broken promises and what seems like a pattern of utter ineptitude.

Personally, I am sick to death of the downtime which I see as symptomatic of poor roll out. The fact that Oceania servers shut down inexplicably ahead of schedule, has meant that even the schedule Bioware announced was not followed. This led to a mega-crowd of people shifting to other available Oceania servers. I can assure you, the comments about Bioware in the chat channel were not friendly or charitable. In Oceania, our downtime is configured during prime time already, so this is the second day playable time that has been lost.

I am seriously considering yanking my subscription.

Let me be one step ahead of you and turn into a doom and gloom prophet and predict the future, not of SWTOR but GW2!

GW2 foruns will be like: Arenanet you guys suck, pvp without gear, classes are unbalanced, not enough end game pve, not enough dungeons/instances. Just wait till Titan from blizz is out, GW2 will be dead.

So, getting back to the present, this is how the GW2 foruns will be in 6 months.

For a while if you mean first two months i agree. AOC and WAR are known for the fastest decline in player base after release for a reason.

They absolutely should have done one or the other. Right now, from a single player story point of view, this isn't nearly as good as KOTOR 1 or 2, and from an MMO viewpoint, its not all that great either.

Your point of view is quite flawed... they are in the same catagory for me, which is big name releases. If I play D3 and it takes up most of my time, why pay for a SW sub?

If it takes up even a portion of time that D2 took, I won't have time to pay to play anything else. Heck, I've lost guildies to LoL which isn't a MMO, but is another popular PVP game out there.

TLDR, the whole viewpoint of games in other catagories not affecting any MMO is pretty ignorant since gamers don't stick to just one catagory.

I have to disagree with you on this one. While I'm not a huge Tera fan or supporter, I did just play the Closed Beta weekend and I have to say, the Unreal engine works flawlessly. It looks beautiful and runs smooth on max settings, something this game has serious trouble with. I'm not bashing ToR here but even the devs have said that 'chat bubbles' (just using this as an example) had to be pulled for the instability it caused with the engine. The other thing that was refressing with Tera was that it felt like an MMO. Was it a bit grindy? Sure, but it was open world, it wasn't lifeless, and it had most, if not all of the features that people come to expect of an mmo.

Again, don't get me wrong. I'm not leaving to play Tera anytime soon but I would imagine that there are a good few that will. It's not a bad game. That's not saying that ToR is, it's just that they're 2 different types of games. Honestly I wouldn't classify ToR as an mmo.

I was pleased to learn Tera online has collision detection when I tried the CBT last weekend.

I have hopes that it might pan out to be a really good game.

If you are of this point of view, you are just kidding yourself.
There are few games that are released bug-free from the get-go, most have to have some kind of patch pretty shortly after release.

With MMOs those bugs are exercerbated due to the sheer amount of content and the non-linear gameplay. Also player against other players that might have an 'op' class makes it feel worse.

It wasn't the release of SWTOR that left is behind where it could have been, it was the real lack of innovation.

While I do agree that the majority of someones game time shouldn't be spent looking for a group.. for anything for that matter. I still adhere to what I said earlier.

I had mixed feeling about Looking For Group Finders. If not implemented correctly they can have an overall negative effect on the community in the long run.

Cross-server finders are a horrible idea and should only be used when an MMO is taking a\it's dying breath. I can say that much at least.

Now a finder that only groups you with people on your server? That I can live with. You're still playing with people on YOUR SERVER at least. Though being warped to whatever dungeon you want to do or whatever I don't agree with you. Not wanting to travel to where you have to go to IS just being lazy.. unless traveling in whatever game is just horrible. In which case it is in SWTOR.

I wasn't exactly speaking about that kind of thing though. Casualness is running MMOs period. I can understand only being able to play for an hour or two a day and that's fine. But if you WILLINGLY purchase an MMO, which are just giant time-sinks, you should not expect to get everything/do everything the game has to offer. Plain and simple