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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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RKLimes
04.11.2012 , 04:53 PM | #671
I would love to see a cross server LFG.
If you feel playing with people from another server would be disruptive to your community experience, don't do it.

They created FAR too many servers. The result, in my opinion, is an almost unplayable 'mmo' experience.

The single player game is still good times though, so congratulations on that Bioware.

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Exartess
04.12.2012 , 08:48 AM | #672
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkulous View Post
I honestly think the majority of anti-xserverLFDers have little or no experience with a X-server LFD. If they did have extensive experience with this TOOL they wouldn't be making all these ridiculous statements. For example:

Most of these people think you can't form groups if a X-server Tool is put in the game.

Really?

Seriously, if you're going to be against something so vigorously, at least know something about it.

I can't speak for the others who are against XSLFG.

I have extensive experience with XSLFG from WoW. The community I was a part of on WoW changed dramatically for the worse after 3 months of that tool going live.

The major reason that I believe XSLFG destroys communities is that it siphons off potential players from what used to be a closed system by relieving their need to execute the Daily quest. When players can't satisfy their own need to do the Daily HM Flashpoint it forces them to be social, talk to other people, build relationships for future runs, ect. But with the XSLFG it allows people to quietly solo the HM Content. If they are quietly doing this then they have no reason to build relationships on their server.

Building relationships is energy intensive and takes time. But those friendships are rewarding in the end. It is my belief (fear) that if a XSLFG goes live then people will not step out of their comfort zones to look for other people on their server to do things with (with the same intensity that they currently do on populated servers). When people clam up and stop talking then the community becomes less vibrant. If your community is a negative one or so unpopulated that you can't progress then I truly feel bad for you because you are missing out on the best part of this game, and any other MMO, and that is the new friends we make and the fun we have playing this game with those people.

I would run approximately 5 Heroics a day using the XSLFG tool on WoW. It was a very cold and impersonal experience. Nobody cared who was who. Everyone was very judgmental about player skill with everyone being suspected as being 'bad'. There was very little talk or chatter in the group. And when it was over you were sent back to your server with nothing to show for your trouble except the passage of time and maybe an upgrade.

To those who say if you don't like XSLFG you don’t have to use it I say: Whether I use it or not, XSLFG's very existence would diminishes my in game experience by silencing hundreds of voices who no longer need my help to complete their daily HM Flashpoint.
i.e. it would wreck the community that I play in.

To the individual who brought up the excellent point of Legacy vs. jumping to a more populous server. I agree with you. Your game investment should not be lost because your server is a dead zone. I don't have any positive ideas on how to fix this dilemma. Were I in your shoes I would accept my losses and stop throwing more valuable time into a dead server. I would move to a hopping server and start over. That is me though and what I am willing to do to make new friends and have fun in a MMO and what you are willing to do may not be one in the same.

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Snoodmaster
04.12.2012 , 09:51 AM | #673
Quote: Originally Posted by Exartess View Post
The major reason that I believe XSLFG destroys communities is that it siphons off potential players from what used to be a closed system by relieving their need to execute the Daily quest. When players can't satisfy their own need to do the Daily HM Flashpoint it forces them to be social, talk to other people, build relationships for future runs, ect. But with the XSLFG it allows people to quietly solo the HM Content. If they are quietly doing this then they have no reason to build relationships on their server.

Building relationships is energy intensive and takes time. But those friendships are rewarding in the end. It is my belief (fear) that if a XSLFG goes live then people will not step out of their comfort zones to look for other people on their server to do things with (with the same intensity that they currently do on populated servers). When people clam up and stop talking then the community becomes less vibrant. If your community is a negative one or so unpopulated that you can't progress then I truly feel bad for you because you are missing out on the best part of this game, and any other MMO, and that is the new friends we make and the fun we have playing this game with those people.
Well said, and thanks for articulating your position clearly and succintly.

However, I have to disagree, and here's why. Your position essentially boils down to wanting to force other people to play the way you want to (be social) even though they personally do not want to. All those people who would desert the "community" to just run FPs silently and quickly are doing so because that's how they want to play. You aren't building a 'real' community if the only reason people talk to you or interact with you is through coercion. There are people in the game who enjoy building a community and prefer making new friends and meeting new people. They will still be there even after cross-server LFG and you can still meet them and interact with them.

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Dudek
04.13.2012 , 02:09 AM | #674
Now it is impossible to FIND GROUPS or do simply PVE . !!!!!!!

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tkinnunzero
04.13.2012 , 02:19 AM | #675
I tried to suggest no Cross Realm LFG tool for PVP but all I got was scorn heaped on me. Double-standard much?!

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oakamp
04.13.2012 , 02:28 AM | #676
Quote: Originally Posted by Exartess View Post
I can't speak for the others who are against XSLFG.

I have extensive experience with XSLFG from WoW. The community I was a part of on WoW changed dramatically for the worse after 3 months of that tool going live.

The major reason that I believe XSLFG destroys communities is that it siphons off potential players from what used to be a closed system by relieving their need to execute the Daily quest. When players can't satisfy their own need to do the Daily HM Flashpoint it forces them to be social, talk to other people, build relationships for future runs, ect. But with the XSLFG it allows people to quietly solo the HM Content. If they are quietly doing this then they have no reason to build relationships on their server.

Building relationships is energy intensive and takes time. But those friendships are rewarding in the end. It is my belief (fear) that if a XSLFG goes live then people will not step out of their comfort zones to look for other people on their server to do things with (with the same intensity that they currently do on populated servers). When people clam up and stop talking then the community becomes less vibrant. If your community is a negative one or so unpopulated that you can't progress then I truly feel bad for you because you are missing out on the best part of this game, and any other MMO, and that is the new friends we make and the fun we have playing this game with those people.

I would run approximately 5 Heroics a day using the XSLFG tool on WoW. It was a very cold and impersonal experience. Nobody cared who was who. Everyone was very judgmental about player skill with everyone being suspected as being 'bad'. There was very little talk or chatter in the group. And when it was over you were sent back to your server with nothing to show for your trouble except the passage of time and maybe an upgrade.

To those who say if you don't like XSLFG you don’t have to use it I say: Whether I use it or not, XSLFG's very existence would diminishes my in game experience by silencing hundreds of voices who no longer need my help to complete their daily HM Flashpoint.
i.e. it would wreck the community that I play in.

To the individual who brought up the excellent point of Legacy vs. jumping to a more populous server. I agree with you. Your game investment should not be lost because your server is a dead zone. I don't have any positive ideas on how to fix this dilemma. Were I in your shoes I would accept my losses and stop throwing more valuable time into a dead server. I would move to a hopping server and start over. That is me though and what I am willing to do to make new friends and have fun in a MMO and what you are willing to do may not be one in the same.
there is no community in swtor when total 5ppl on fleet,
and not all top lv to do a simple HM,
dont be so selfish to against xslfm.
English is not my first language, still working on it.

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Vrylokai
04.13.2012 , 04:55 AM | #677
Same server LFG won't do much for the low population servers.

I'm of the mind of Cross server LFG tools need to be in the game.

I know all the pros and cons. For me, however, the supposed cons go on now in the game without any LFG feature implemented.

Ninja-looting - Go browse the forums and see the MANY MANY threads about people needing on items, that are not for their class. This is not a cross server problem.

Community - The server communities are a joke now! People still only group within their guild. Hence you have the constant spamming for LFG. New people who may struggle get ridiculed and made fun of. This is NOT a cross server problem.

Accountability - Loot and leave! Guess what, it happens now! Spend 90 minutes looking for that tank. Go in and kill the first boss. Oh darn, the tank didn't get the drop he wanted and suddenly has to go! Back to the drawing board. Leaves the other 3 high and dry. And he gets to repeatedly do it, because of well, that tank shortage thing. Ninja-looting, see above. Nope, sorry, not a cross server thing.

Reputation - What Rep? Every time someone tries to announce to the public that player x is a ninja looter or just a general *****, the loving community that they are a part of turns on the player and tells him he is whining, or it is just loot, etc etc. No, sorry, not a cross server problem.

So for me, all these "cons" are moot. All that is being lobbied as worries and bad things, are things that happen now, without any type of LFG tool. So bring on the cross realm LFG!

I mean seriously. If you are so against it, Don't Use It!. I sure as hell won't force you too. Continue to play how you want to play. You won't experience any of the cons of the cross server LFG if you do not use it. Group with your guildies and list of friends.

But if I am on at an off time than my guild or friends, I sure as heck should not be held hostage by the play times of my guild or friends. I should have as many opportunities as possible. And cross server would help bring together more people with similar situations.

I hope they see the cross realm will be a much needed necessity.

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Crassius
04.13.2012 , 05:05 AM | #678
Quote: Originally Posted by MUFanatic View Post
I am disappointed to see the cross realm LFG tool being talked about as a future addition to the game. I was really hoping to keep that out of TOR just because of it's ability to destroy community in a game. I would be all for LFG server wide but cross realm is a no go for me.
The LFG-Community you mean. Yeah, its an awesome community. I hear it hangs around the fleet and SPAMS general chat with LFG messages for hours. Good times! Makes me wanna pay more for my subscription because of this awesome activity!
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chillshock
04.13.2012 , 05:07 AM | #679
For all those who WANT the looking-for-bots tool: If you think social-behavior is bad now, anyways: it will get worse. If you think ninja-looting and ego-mode is bad now: it will get worse. If you think that no one cares about who they play with/against (pvp or pve): You are mistaken.

Seen it in "that other game". It's the no1 reason for not going back. If swtor gets it. It loses players like me. Simple.

On the other hand: I'm 100% FOR a server-only-LFG tool.

I guess, once you stop playing a game like it's a job - 'earning' 'items' by 'working' for them - what is left is playing them for the social interaction. And I'd rather have no group than a group of ego-effers.

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Vrylokai
04.13.2012 , 05:18 AM | #680
I've played WoW and used their LFD tool.

Yes you get the occasional "issue" group. But I have experienced dramatically more positive experiences than bad. Its just unfortunate that one or two bad experiences tend to stick with people.

I don't see how a Cross Realm tool would affect those that do not want to partake in it. If you do not use it, you will not have to suffer the social negatives that you are worried about. It is like that whole PVP thing. All those PVE people that loathe PVP, do not have to worry about it. Simply do not hit that Que for PVP function! And play on a PVE server.

Cross Server should be a standard feature for MMO's now. My opinion mind you.

WoW - Started out without one. Moved to one.

RIFT - Started out exactly like SWTOR. Did not have one. Had all the same forum wars about getting or not getting one. RIFT implemented one and much rejoicing was to be had.

Here we are in SWTOR. Glad to hear they are talking about it. Can't wait for it!