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Update on Ranked Warzones in Game Update 1.2

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Update on Ranked Warzones in Game Update 1.2
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Galru
04.12.2012 , 05:23 AM | #2691
I only read the 1st few pages of QQ from the superceral PvPers and most of it was the same so I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest 100+ pages of "BWs so bad" and "I just unsubbed" You people had to realize there was a major flaw with Server Based pvp queues going to ranked PvP. Most servers could fill what? 3-5 teams and that would be on the highest population servers? So the rest of the server would queue solo or 4 man groups to be totally wasted by those 4-5 and probably less actual 8man teams.
I wanted ranked PvP matches, heck for me this games end-game content has become PvP, Ops are boring and too easy, daily quests dont do it for me, my 2nd character to 50 was done solely through queuing for PvP matches.

My biggest dissapointment is the fact that I still cant queue with more than 4 people. And I admit that it would have been nice if some of the folks whose job this actually is would have realized awhile ago that this wasnt happening in 1.2 and let the community know since Ranked PvP was supposed to be a very big part of 1.2 and only hours before it went live they decided to let us know. Bad form on BWs part but I wont unsub because of this, I'll just do what I do each day when I log on... I'll heal WZs on my now OP operative since BW decided my class needed a healing buff. <3 u guys btw.

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Sangriel
04.12.2012 , 05:25 AM | #2692
People come on...

x = buyers at release and pre-orders
y = people who never subed, just bought tried and said..."well, no"
z = people who subbed for a couple of months and then left
a = people who would leave if pvp system did not change

so:

Total paying people now = x - y - z - a

So...
How do you get back to increasing the money?
You add what caused a good portion of y, z and a to leave...
Advertise it, make it a hype, make sure the current people tell the quiters...
And then you say... nope. sorry, next release or somewhat.

I am not saying they were not trying to get it done till the last minute, I am just saying that the arguement of some that goes:
"Would you like it broken or not at all"
Is just not valid!!
How about, don't hype people for something that is not at least 90% ready.

I have to say, the company
(the one developing the game we play)
...not saying which as I had to recently read the forum rulez...
is just not used tyo this kind of thing.
Creating stories - excellent
Creating Single Player RPG's with perfect story - excellent
MMO - naaaahhh

Reason:

The Online Gamers are utterly and completely RUTHLESS!!!
They will tear you apart and pick the bones the moment they smell weakness and blood.
and well they should....
They (we) are hardcore gamers (PvP - PvE, it does not matter) - when you amaze us, it's for life (see another aWesOme Winner mmo)
when you dissapoint us...don't expect to walk away with a slap on the wrist and a "not again" like regular gamers...
If I don't have the option to "Save" my progress in world, you don't have the option of not delivering what you said you would for the money I give you...

Simple contract...
To summarize... familiarize yourselves with MMO crowd before doing anything... There is a whole Psychology Department dedicated to that (seriously)

That's my constructive feedback

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CreeCwee
04.12.2012 , 05:27 AM | #2693
Quote: Originally Posted by Cmdluke View Post
yes why can't they just push it out all broken like so we can play? I swear we won't complain when it doesn't work right.
more like

"why don't we dangle a carrot infront of all these nice people, and then ones they all paid for the carrot, we take it away"

This is FALSE ADVERTISEMENT, i dont give a S about broken content, hell release it in a year for all i care, but dont tell me its comng, get me to pay, and then go "oooh btw jk lulz!11!!1"

They say its a recent decision but they magically have a alternate route for WH gear alraedy set up and ready to go? yeah right...

BW and EA are scammers and liars.
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Kif_Bloodfin
04.12.2012 , 05:27 AM | #2694
Can anyone name one AAA MMO title that has done this before?
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LifeOfMessiah
04.12.2012 , 05:28 AM | #2695
Quote: Originally Posted by StewRR View Post
I'll preface this by saying I rarely post on the forums.

I'm coming out of hiding for this thread, though, because someone needs to represent the viewpoint of the non-casual PvPer.

The PvE players will of course line up to say we're the minority- they always do. They'll continue to say we're vocal, and that our impact on a game is minimal, ect. Because, well, somewhere along the line, they got led to believe that all PvPers hate PvEers, and the forum troll wars started where everyone picked a faction and yelled and screamed until it became standard behavior.

I don't hate PvE. I am a PvP focused player, but I don't want to change your raids, or the itemization of your gear, or make you PvP to get a BiS belt or a set of bracers to max your stats for raiding. For the most part- I want you guys to have your focus untouched, and not have to do things you hate in order to do the things you enjoy.

But on the other hand, the PvPer has been handed the worst development in the game over and over since this game's launch, the worst itemization of stats, forced PvE for BiS/stat itemization, and a completely broken World PvP setup.

You made valor changes that made the ranks meaningless, you put in interim systems for commendations that essentially handed out free gear to everyone who put in minimal effort after tons of people had a merciless grind to get both their ranks/gear.

It's clear that PvE is the focus of this game. That's fine- most games focus this way, and I get it- but it doesn't give your development teams an excuse to completely half-*** one part of the game, and that's exactly what has happened with PvP.

World PvP was terrible from launch, and you've essentially admitted defeat until you can completely re-work it.

You changed methods of commendations twice with these "temporary" fixes until more permanent systems could go in, and now, we get no rated warzones, but another temporary way to aquire gear. When does the PvP community get a finished product? How many temporary changes and re-works do we get before we get what the PvEers had at launch- finished content?

You made it clear what the focus for 1.2 was in who you invited to test/copy, and that was PvE guilds to test your new T2 raid. No PvP guilds to test your rated warzones? Really. And the day prior to launching the patch, you have to pull the plug on it. You probably had an entire throng of PvEers testing PvP content for one, and for two, just the lack of focus on it overall reflects poorly on your PvP team, and Bioware as a whole.

If PvP isn't a major focus, you need to say so, rather than keeping the charade of it mattering, yet proving again and again with shoddy development that it doesn't.
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WIllfred
04.12.2012 , 05:29 AM | #2696
Quote: Originally Posted by OZtheWiZARD View Post
So you can see big Ranked WZ system comming in 1.2 on the screen.
The big red letters on the patch notes fix that part :P

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Calenei
04.12.2012 , 05:29 AM | #2697
Damn I posted back on the 40's pages now this thread is in its 200+ pages. Epic Thread is Epic.

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Therealchaz
04.12.2012 , 05:31 AM | #2698
Seems like this is good, I have been playing this game since prelaunch and I am getting a massive update with a heap of new content to keep me busy. While i sort out the new content in pve I can spend some time working out how to get the War Hero gear in pvp to get myself ready for some sort of ranked Warzones?

A new warzone and more same faction warzones plus a new set of gear are all good improvements on the current pvp. So that is great...

They said one of the features they were looking at implementing was ranked pvp, it isn't ready yet so it will be released later. Fair enough, good call. Keep up the good work, best mmo I've played yet and certainly still subbed and I hope to be for a long time as long as you keep providing the excellent service!

+1 for BW

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Decent
04.12.2012 , 05:32 AM | #2699
goodbye guys!

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Szio
04.12.2012 , 05:33 AM | #2700
I'm in that other mmo who wont be mentioned while updating this, I think this is a j/k. I hope cause bioware wont survive this if its not.

/popcorn