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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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ferroz
04.11.2012 , 07:10 AM | #601
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
At vanilla such people were blacklisted and didnt stand a chance on any server.
During TBC and especially during early wrath, such people were complained about in general chat, and the people complaining were reported, ignored and blacklisted. This was common long before the lfd tool.


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I have not met many people at this forum here, who were really intrested in understanding why a LFG tool is not the ultimate solution if rushed.
Actually, it is the ultimate solution; none of your examples actually fix the problems I want fixed.

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Meldwyn
04.11.2012 , 07:19 AM | #602
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
During TBC and especially during early wrath, such people were complained about in general chat, and the people complaining were reported, ignored and blacklisted. This was common long before the lfd tool.
Agreed.

Although there was one example of a former member of my guild who started his own (guild) in protest about something stupid and took some of my members with him (raiding guild). He got such a bad reputation in Trade Chat as a poor leader, reserving drops, etc... that he was black balled and eventually quit WoW or rolled on a new server (don't know which, and didn't care). That's the only example I can think of though. That is, however, on a different scale and wasn't related to a LFG tool (it was post cross server LFG).

So, even with cross server LFG, the community can police itself if needed (worst offenders).
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CorellianWannabe
04.11.2012 , 07:25 AM | #603
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
Just let the game rate player performance. There are many examples how this can work well, a completed dungeon can give you points, a run without kick´s can give you points etc.

The pointless griefing like at wow, should not be possible at Tor. There people do whatever they want, without any consequences - the horrible wow community is also there because of that.
At vanilla such people were blacklisted and didnt stand a chance on any server.
You really believe that don't you? When and where was this mystical period of 'people were blacklisted and never ever ever got groups'?

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I have not met many people at this forum here, who were really intrested in understanding why a LFG tool is not the ultimate solution if rushed.

Since January I gave many good examples for such a tool, hardly anyone cared.

Many still think that the wow tool was the ultimate thing and is the best content an MMO has ever received...

Also LFG tools could be limited to PvE servers only, so that RP and PvP could develop their own community.

Compromise is there, but in most cases not by the LFG pro faction.
Why should we have to compromise? If you don't like it, don't use it! Spam in general chat just like now! Whisper people who didn't reply to your spam because who knows, maybe they want to group and just don't know it yet! Keep exhaustive records of every jerk you see and shout out their crime to all! I mean, blacklisting doesn't work unless you name and shame, right?

Cross server LFG doesn't require the general spammers to give up anything-if people will end up using it because players follow the path of least resistance then what does that say about how cumbersome the current method is?

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chaosdefined
04.11.2012 , 07:27 AM | #604
In my last guild in WoW, our Guild Leader decided he'd become bored of leading and so sold the level 25 Guild to the leader of a level 12 Guild, who then got given Guild Master and demoted all our officers, brought in his own and was rude to all the original members.

The previous guild master also decided to clear out the guild bank of all the guild and items he wanted before changing server and character name.

So you see, bad players can exist without the LFD and still be completely horrible to others.

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quadnut
04.11.2012 , 07:33 AM | #605
Quote: Originally Posted by MUFanatic View Post
I am disappointed to see the cross realm LFG tool being talked about as a future addition to the game. I was really hoping to keep that out of TOR just because of it's ability to destroy community in a game. I would be all for LFG server wide but cross realm is a no go for me.
LFG LFO is needed i want options for my gameplay i dont want to spend hrs on vent listening to people winge and wipes i have better things to do. Hardcore players crack under pressure and are always trying to pass the buck there is no reason why u cant organise your nightmare op etc with other ppl. Bring on the flying mounts

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Snoodmaster
04.11.2012 , 07:34 AM | #606
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
Just let the game rate player performance. There are many examples how this can work well, a completed dungeon can give you points, a run without kick´s can give you points etc.
Interesting idea. It has the same capability for griefing as a upvote system though, because people can just kick you at the last boss to keep you from getting points.

I do see where it has a better psychological impact though. I get the feeling that a lot of players don't want other players "judging" them and would prefer a theoretically "impartial" arbiter like the game's algorithm.

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The pointless griefing like at wow, should not be possible at Tor. There people do whatever they want, without any consequences - the horrible wow community is also there because of that.
At vanilla such people were blacklisted and didnt stand a chance on any server.
Griefing is always possible. If people want to be jerks, they'll find a way to do it no matter what. All you can do is keep them from upsetting you or ruining your personal experience.

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SneakyErvin
04.11.2012 , 07:34 AM | #607
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
During TBC and especially during early wrath, such people were complained about in general chat, and the people complaining were reported, ignored and blacklisted. This was common long before the lfd tool.


Actually, it is the ultimate solution; none of your examples actually fix the problems I want fixed.
And when the x-server LFG tool was released the type of people that got blacklisted back in vanilla/bc/early LK got /ignored, so you only had to deal with them in 1 group ever.

There is actually no downside to a x-server LFG system aslong as /ignore = no grouping with that person int he future. There are far more benefits. The so called killing the community is a downside when there is a very strong community to kill. But there isnt. Same with x-server BGs, sure its fun to have rivals, but IMO its more fun to meet a large selection of people.

The community when it comes to x-server things can still be there, you can have some friends then pug the last guy, or run a pre-made x-server WZ, nothing changes in that aspect. It does however change alot for those with limited time etc. It can mean alot to a person to be able to finish 2-3 instances per day, even with a packed schedule. Something that is fully possible with the current WoW x-server LFG.

IMO it cant get much better than the WoW version, they really did a great job with it, limiting ******s both when it comes to forming groups and when it comes to kicking people. A system that doesnt limit kicking i.e the system we have in ToR now, gives more issues, because those ******s can kick you at last boss to get a friend or guildy in for the kill/finish quest.

/ignore, the easy simple solution for x-server LFG to work, as proven by Blizzard.

Douchebag in your group? Ignore him and never see him again.
Ninja in your group? Ignore him and never see him again.
Leech in your group? Ignore him and never see him again.

etc...
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DarthPeterNorth
04.11.2012 , 07:36 AM | #608
I'm giving this game 2 months to see if LFD tools is implemented or not. If not, i will forget this game ever existed.

Sitting in an imperial fleet doing nothing while lfg is not fun. I want to experience the game PVE group content but the lack of LFD tools makes it painful enough for the majority to skip it entirely.

Enough of this crap. If devs are smart, they KNOW LFD tool across servers is badly needed in the game to speed up group formation for flashpoints. Flashpoints that are a HUGE part of the game being almost neglected, unless you have close friends or a guild to do them for you (which is NOT the case of the majority of players, casuals who log in for a couple ours to get things done).

Time for Bioware and EA think about the 95% of the game population and subscribers. Forget about the elitist. Either that or watch your game become another niche MMORPG striving to keep 300k subscribers a month.


2 months, thats all i can imagine it would be necessary to code a working LFD tool for this game. Evrything else in this game can wait because the lack of interaction in this MMORPG is so colossal that even a cross realm LFD tool is a must to have someone to do things with if you are a casual player.


The only ppl against LFD tool are guild leaders who are afraid of losing their slaves to these and players who are so touchy that they shouldn't even been playing online games where interaction is needed to feel that the world you are playing is alive somehow.
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chaosdefined
04.11.2012 , 07:41 AM | #609
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthPeterNorth View Post
I'm giving this game 2 months to see if LFD tools is implemented or not. If not, i will forget this game ever existed.
I'm seriously doubting it'll be ingame in 2 months sadly. All they've said is they're working on one and they're hoping to put it into patch 1.3, which could be anytime in the next 2 or 4 or 6 months time. Plus there's no guarantee it'll be ready for patch 1.3!

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Snoodmaster
04.11.2012 , 07:47 AM | #610
Quote: Originally Posted by SneakyErvin View Post
There is actually no downside to a x-server LFG system aslong as /ignore = no grouping with that person int he future. There are far more benefits. The so called killing the community is a downside when there is a very strong community to kill. But there isnt. Same with x-server BGs, sure its fun to have rivals, but IMO its more fun to meet a large selection of people.
I think what people who remember blacklists fondly want is a way to learn from the experiences of others so that they don't have to suffer through a revolving door of jerks before they get all the bad players in their server pool placed on ignore.

Maybe if you could "share" ignore lists with other people?

Or, combining with the queue lobby idea, if when a group is formed you could see how many times each person has been placed on "ignore" and then you can ignore him and drop him from the group quickly.