My Thoughts on the SWTOR Hate

Ok, you played it, I believe it. Yet you do not state exactly what you didn´t like. You know, I like facts. Feature comparisons. And I always pin down what the problem is if a game does not deliver. I´m not an MMO expert though. Hated WoW. Seriously, I tried it three weeks and all I had was disgust against everything, cartoonish graphics, boring gameplay, medieval sorcery cr*p.

Sure, the SWG ground combat sucked, it´s way better in TOR, I´ve said that a hundred times. But what´s with the missing features? Have you seen my list in this thread?
Why is TOR a linear railroad ride through a fraction of a galaxy and small static planets?
What´s with the failed server concept with 8 people on a whole planet? And so on.
You need to talk facts, " I don´t like it" is not constructive.

By the way polls with over 300 people are already a viable sample pool. You could even get a significant result with less people. Percentages didn´t change much since the beginning. That is how survey research works.

You do realize the NGE was SOE's attempt to "WoW-ify" SWG, right? They saw the success WoW was achieving, at the same time their subscription-base was dropping at an alarming rate, thus the infamous NGE was born, effectively killing their game. It may have taken several more years to officially die, but it never recovered. Those few who stuck around post NGE were/are fanatical in their devotion, there just wasn't enough of them to sustain the game any longer and it was finally put out of it's misery on December 15th, 2011.

Of course, there's always the EMU for the diehards.

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My point exactly.

To re-iterate my last point, pre-NGE and post-NGE SWG players just don't get one another. At all. The pre-NGE group remembers clearly what SWG was supposed to be (even though it was severely messed up in some places), and the post-NGE people don't realize exactly how much the game was altered to appeal to the Warcraft crowd.

People hate SWTOR because we were promised much more and expected at least an improvement over the previous game, not a regression in almost every aspect.

Then I have to try the Pre-CU version on SWGEMU, but if it does not include Jump To Lightspeed I am also not very interested. I spent about half the time in space combat and mining, other half exploring the huge planets, collect stuff in my Jawa sandcrawler house, meeting players and looking for crafting parts and materials.

If TOR adds some of the features of SWG I might really enjoy hanging around in this game. Right now I´m just bored by it and hope upcoming games are more entertaining on release.

I'll answer this one myself, because I was there for the revamp. The combat system in Pre-CU was god awful, which is why I stuck primarily with crafting, first as a weaponsmith when Rodians had a bonus to it. Later as a Shipwright. When the Cu and later NGE hit, I was mostly unchanged. Yes, I was in a level-based system, but the schematics and processes for shipwrights were mostly unchanged.

Still, I was angry about the changed, just like everyone else, and I left the game for a time. Went to other games like WoW, played it for a while and didn't like it. In that time servers on SWG were merged and I had lost my account information from kettemoor. Still, found WoW lacking and went back to SWG to see what was what and start over.

Combat was still atrocious so again I stuck with crafting. I found leveling a crafter in the new system to be little more than a formality. The hard work showed up when trying to form a business, make ties, and start producing a useful product. Structures trader at that point so still a shipwright with the added benefit of being able to make housing and furniture. Again, Shipwright was mostly unchanged as far as the crafting went, so I returned to it easily enough.

Rolled a Jedi for giggles. I thought having so many around was a little odd, but ignored it. Went through this whole legacy quest that SOE put in. Found it very wow like. I ended up using my Jedi mostly for the purpose of RP and being my pilot for space, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

The game still had deep flaws, but despite those flaws I enjoyed it. TOR was announced and I looked it over. Saw it was a WoW knock-off and thought it might be fun as a distraction. At this time assurances were lobbed that both games would coexist from both LA and SOE, so I was fine with it and would have happily played both. Kept up with TOR and continued to play SWG. Had to leave SWG again due to real life reasons which are no one's business but mine. I managed to get back to SWG just in time for the shutdown notice, and that's when the real bitterness set in.

So, despite its flaws I preferred SWG over TOR, even after the NGE fiasco. The primary reason being the amount of freedom I had in SWG to just go and do as I pleased. The secondary reason being that it was NOT World of Warcraft. Had both been allowed to coexist I would probably be playing both, with more emphasis on SWG, and not be such an angry person about it.

That wraps up the topic for me.

SWG is not the predecessor of SWTOR.

Christ, how many times does this have to be said? If you thought in any way, shape, or form, that SWTOR was supposed to be based on/an advanced version of SWG, then you weren't paying attention at all to what was going on.

This is not SWG2. It never was intended to be and it never will be. No features from SWG were included in SWTOR, because they are not (and were not designed to be) at all similar. Unlike Everquest and Everquest 2, one is not a sequel to the other.

And Raven, again, I get where you're coming from. Elements of this game don't appeal to you because you were hoping for something else. As a general rule, and I recommend this for everyone, never play a new game with expectations and never assume that the state said game is in (SWTOR is in vanilla) will remain that way. I suggest staying tuned and seeing how post 1.2 goes. Perhaps it won't be until the first expansion that you begin to see new stuff that you like, but it might be worth the wait.

Good post and a valid point. I hope that this game evolves in a way that it begins to appeal to you more.

Luckily, your numbers are miniscule among the playerbase.