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why be a pure DPS when DPS tanks do more damage

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why be a pure DPS when DPS tanks do more damage

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unclekaula
04.10.2012 , 06:12 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by kantnerfme View Post
Lawlz ,you do 5-7k dmg
my sage with BM and dps specs can't deal more than 3k.
tell me now who is the dps? xD
You because I'm guarding/objectives as a rage tank. The only way I'd out dps a dps sage was if they didnt know what they were doing or if I was focusing squishies.
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KhealThar
04.10.2012 , 06:21 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by kantnerfme View Post
Lawlz ,you do 5-7k dmg
my sage with BM and dps specs can't deal more than 3k.
tell me now who is the dps? xD
He hits for 5-7k with adrenals, 3-4k without every 20 or so seconds. Sorcerer's have sustained damage and rage doesn't. You'll end up doing more overall damage unless he's hitting a lot of grouped targets and btw, you're both DPS spec'd.
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aeterno
04.10.2012 , 06:48 AM | #183
Why be a pure DPS when DPS tanks do more damage?

Cos pure DPS classes have better survivability than tanks silly.

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ContrailNZ
04.10.2012 , 06:54 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
17 pages later and the OP hasn't posted again.... successful troll is successful.

On a related note. DPS tanks doing DPS.. imagine that. That aren't bursting anything down... they do steady, constant damage. True DPS classes like Sniper and Marauder do have enough burst or at least higher sustained damage to actually make a kill in a timely matter. Yea a tankassin might kill you, but it will be a long fight. PvP is all about burst. All it takes is 1 healer and a DPS tank is boned... can't kill anything.
ummmm clearly you are playing a diff game.

Pyrotech PT has, I would say the most consistent and best burst in the game, especially with timing Thermal explosion with railshot hitting the target.

Rage burst is also nice, but PT still wins.


Marauder has more steady DPS, less burst but more def cooldowns then any tank.

Shadow tanks are the only tanks that are less bursty and more steady dps.
The issue is that their DPS in tank spec is far too high.

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Koolmea
04.10.2012 , 06:58 AM | #185
First of all the OP doesnt even have a pic to show us some evidence.
Second of all, all the nerfing threads pics shown are ALWAYS from Voidstar where the other team has tops 10 kills/player.
Isnt this forum full of this kind of nerf this nerf that, look at this pic, omaiga I killed 80 and their best player killed 12 (nerf me).
I have a War Hero Assassin and only once in my life I've gotten 400k dmg when the enemy team had 5 healers....
So ppl, stop leaning your ear towards every post about nerfing/showing Voidstar pics usually...of unbalanced teams.
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DarkDruidSS
04.10.2012 , 01:40 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by ContrailNZ View Post
ummmm clearly you are playing a diff game.

Pyrotech PT has, I would say the most consistent and best burst in the game, especially with timing Thermal explosion with railshot hitting the target.

Rage burst is also nice, but PT still wins.


Marauder has more steady DPS, less burst but more def cooldowns then any tank.

Shadow tanks are the only tanks that are less bursty and more steady dps.
The issue is that their DPS in tank spec is far too high.
Clearly you don't know what a tank is. Pyrotech is not a tank. It's a DPS spec for PTs. PT, Jugg and Sin are not inherently tanks unless specced for tanking. So a DPS spec doing DPS... OMGWUT?

Rage is also a DPS spec and not a tank spec. The respective tank specs for PT and Jugg are Shieldtech and Immortal. So you just named 2 builds that are NOT tank spec.... For the record I have a level 40 PT and you don't do serious damage in Shieldtech spec... It's almost like Darkness for Sins except Sins have self heals which makes their spec superior.

Once again... DPS tanks are what the thread is specifically talking about. A DPS Tank is a tank class in tank spec wearing DPS gear for the extra damage. It's not about DPS specs in a class that can tank.

They are steady consistant damage. Sins appear to do more damage because they can self heal allowing them to survive longer to do the damage. I know from a PT/Sin point of view the classses do similar damage in tank spec. The other major difference is a lot of tankassin damage is force damage where a PT has a lot of weapon damage which is mitigated more. No DPS tank is a burst class.
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AngryBuddhist
04.10.2012 , 01:54 PM | #187
You guys are still mostly missing the OP's point.

Why be a pure DPS in PVP when a hybrid class that is DPS/TANK does more damage.

The answer is that there is no point. When a hybrid class does better than the pure class, it make no sense to play the pure class.

This is NOT a comparison of DPS to a Tank with a DPS build. This is about the base level class being a pure or a hybrid.

In most games that use hybrids, and throughout game history, a hybrid class was less effective in each of the class types it was derived from.

So a TANK/DPS hybrid should be less DPS than a pure DPS and less 'tank' than a pure tank class.

This is NOT the case in SWTOR. The hybrids are a better choice for solo PVP play.

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AngryBuddhist
04.10.2012 , 01:57 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
Once again... DPS tanks are what the thread is specifically talking about. A DPS Tank is a tank class in tank spec wearing DPS gear for the extra damage. It's not about DPS specs in a class that can tank.
Um ... no he is talking about the base class not the builds. A Shadow is a hybrid. A gunslinger is a pure class.

Go look at the class definitions on this web site so you see what he is talking about. It isn't a pure tank with a DPS build, it is a hybrid class vs. pure class issue.

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Darth_Philar
04.10.2012 , 02:07 PM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
This is NOT the case in SWTOR. The hybrids are a better choice for solo PVP play.
There is no such thing as "solo PvP play" in SWTOR.

There is team-based objective warzones.

Also, the entire premise of this thread is based on the fallacy that the Damage Done column means anything.

It does not.
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Cowflab
04.10.2012 , 02:14 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
Um ... no he is talking about the base class not the builds. A Shadow is a hybrid. A gunslinger is a pure class.

Go look at the class definitions on this web site so you see what he is talking about. It isn't a pure tank with a DPS build, it is a hybrid class vs. pure class issue.
Uh... /facedesk

You cant compare a spec(gunslinger) to an entire AC(shadow). If you're going that route, you compare scoundrel vs. Shadow. Shadow has a tank spec, scoundrels have a heal spec. That's the tradeoff. Deception=gunslinger as far as "pure specs" are concerned.

See the difference?