Server population is dropping...

Of course it had dead servers. They didnt even have RP-PvP servers at start. But the thing is, they were very quick with free server transfers, and there were alot of heavy+ servers, aswell as a much higher population cap compared to ToR, or so it looks. They also solved the problem even more by allowing x-server transfers for a small fee per toon, with zero restrictions.

I never had issues fidning groups in vanilla and bc. Neither on Kel'Thuzad or Emerald Dream. Then some time during LK they released a dungeon finder tool, then later on the x-server RDF tool.

But its also an OLD game, which did alot of new things that became standards within MMO design. Things neglected by BW in fear that it would ruin the community, because they listned to the opinions of a few, the few that exaggerate the problems that x-server systems create.

But ToR currently has an outdated system to find groups, aswell as a population per server, the size of old games such as DaoC, EQ and so on. If not less...

No, the nice LFG window that allowed you to sign your name ont he LFG list so others looking for group could see it. Along with spec and all that mumbojumbo.

please stop drinking the bioware koolaid and look at the facts.when you can link something that disproves this,ill be the first to say im wrong. log on during prime time and look at the server list,most are light/standard...maybe 4 are heavy,that dosent sound like a healthy population to me. do you actually think this site just makes it all up?

please stop drinking the bioware koolaid and look at the facts.when you can link something that disproves this,ill be the first to say im wrong. log on during prime time and look at the server list,most are light/standard...maybe 4 are heavy,that dosent sound like a healthy population to me. do you actually think this site just makes it all up?

Ah third party sources, always reliable.

Are you a Bioware dev or employee?

I will honestly ask you, do you actually believe that EA or for that matter any other game production company would come out with the stats, the third party source is showing.

Even with Blizzard there are third party sources giving the data out on the state of the game. It's always been that way, but we'll be able to determine if the third party source is right come EA's shareholder meeting.

That is where all the truth comes out, don't believe me even Morhaime from Blizzard was grilled and skewered by Blizzard shareholders over their losses which occurred with Cataclysm.

I have zero doubt Mr. Reid will face the same mantra " throw him on the barby " from EA's shareholder meeting.

Are you a Bioware dev or employee?

I will honestly ask you, do you actually believe that EA or for that matter any other game production company would come out with the stats, the third party source is showing.

Even with Blizzard there are third party sources giving the data out on the state of the game. It's always been that way, but we'll be able to determine if the third party source is right come EA's shareholder meeting.

That is where all the truth comes out, don't believe me even Morhaime from Blizzard was grilled and skewered by Blizzard shareholders over their losses which occurred with Cataclysm.

I have zero doubt Mr. Reid will face the same mantra " throw him on the barby " from EA's shareholder meeting.

Player transfers were introduced sometime in 2006. That's a whole year-ish of time for the dead server people to get some relief.

To be fair, sometime in late 2005 they did open up high->low pop migration. Not the same and definitely didn't fix the issue.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying (other than your WoW facts), I just disagree with the time frame in which you expect it.

Ah third party sources, always reliable.

How about this?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...350700&page=15

Byerley did a fairly decent job of explaining it. If you search, Notdonnareed had a fairly similar conclusion in regards to population caps as well.

350 appears to be the the bare minimum required for standard ranking on the server list. Where this number caps at is still speculation, but it is probably around 2000. 1800 was reported by others a few times.

Assuming that the heavy and full servers are at 2500 or more, and noting that there are only 5 or so out of the (last I heard) 200 or so other servers.

Even saying there are 10 good servers with an average population of 2500 or more between EU and US, that's only 25,000. The other 190 servers with an average of 500 (which includes the light servers with under 350, and the standard servers with 1800 or so, so 500 is the number I went with) comes out to be a bit short of 100,000.

125,000 is roughly consistent with the fact that rarely, if ever, do MMO's have more then 10% of their player base playing. Which, when multiplied out, comes to a bit under 1.25 million subs (given that I rounded up slightly earlier). This number isn't too unrealistic either.

If you increase the average population per server to be 600 or even 700/800, you still don't see much of a total increase, only get the subs up to 1.4 mil, 1.5 or so. You still don't have enough of a population to make a difference, simply because there are too many friggen servers


What say you?