Who Swtor was made for.

Some of them are former Hardcore players from Hello Kitty On-Line

Yeah but here is what an educated public is saying about whose mouths it's coming from

And yet his comments don't change the fact that DA2 sold half of what DA:O sold because bad word of mouth killed sales after 2 weeks.

I'm sure as hell not pre-ordering another BioWare game. They're going to have to work a lot harder for my money from now on.

Baaaaaa Baaaaaa

Yeah but since the whiners got what the attention that they wanted people who actually understand business and markets are having their say...lets see who gets listened to in the end now. Massive sales do not come from hardcore gamers to begin with they come from the average consumer.

And who do you think average consumers go to for opinions on games first? Their gamer friends, because they would know what kind of games they like better than some critic who gets their copy for free, and has to avoid alienating big publishers or they will stop getting early copies or exclusives.

The problem is the "Casual Gamer". This is taken so out of context is not even funny. People do not know what the true definition of "Casual Gamer" is.

Example I am called a Casual Gamer because I play 3 days a week raid 2 of the 3. I have other Casual Gamers in my guild. All of them play 3 to 4 days a week, 2 to 6 hours a a pop. Most Raid 2 days or more a week.

There can also be the other "CASUAL GAMER" the people who solo MMOs and want nothing but SOLO progression in a game which is built around community and playing with other players.

CASUAL GAMER is bandied about too freely with no TRUE definition. When you do not have a TRUE definition how can you cater to that group.

The Problem with SWTOR as I see it is this.

They went for the casual gamer wanting them to think this is KOTOR 3 with a Mutliplayer aspect. MMO players came here thinking this would be Vanilla/TBC WoW with good raiding, PVP and some good SOLO progression content. Neither side got really much out of it. people are disappointed because in stead of picking an aspect to the game they wanted to be very good at they tried to cater to alot of different game play aspects and failed at it.

Jack...not everyone has a gaming nerd friend and now that these people are being exposed as the agenda based whiners that they are...I have a feeling that their voice is going to be a lot less powerful going forward; but time will tell.

There is 1 more point I would like to add to this Jett-Rinn

Average consumers in MMOS also do not come to the forums (60+ members in my guild I am the ONLY one out of all them that come here and post. The only time they come to the SWTOR forums is to bump a recruitment post or read patch notes.) to post and talk about what they like or dislike. They will pay for the game or not.

That's fine, but when literary reviews are saying your storytelling committed suicide at the end of your game, the market analysts can go suck a lemon. There is such a thing as a customer who is dissatisfied but doesn't complain about it vocally. They just stop buying the products.

This is a very well written post by the OP.