Marauders need to be balanced to Juggernauts.

Unfortunately, when you are using a DPS spec, filling a DPS role in a DPS stance, you are the one that will get burned down. It would be like DPS deliberately taunting in a raid.

2/3 stances and 2/3 trees for Juggs/Guardians are DPS.

Is this a joke? If you want to call yourself a tank, then spec tank. Don't sit here and cry when you spec dps and die the same way any other dps class would. Absolutely ridiculous things i'm seeing here.

If you're a juggernaut in tank spec and you die quicker than a marauder, then you shouldn't be playing a Juggernaut or any tank character for that matter.

How can someone possibly want to have the benefits of both Tank, Shield chance, absorption and damage output on the same level of a pure dps class? If you want that reroll a Sin/shadow tank with dps gear.

oh yea all the caps DPS dosent mean DP**** to me its like your trying to say something smart i do not know when the truth is i already realized you cant taunt in a raid and it is you who is too stupid to know their df cd's in pvp but hey were all allowed to be ****in.g tarted sometimes i forgive you.

Juggs also have a push, which is an awesome tool in pvp.

And to all the people saying heavy armor doesn't matter, try putting light/medium armor on your jugg and see what happens.

I suggest you read some of taugrim tank guides in vanguard fourm they got a sticky up top should explain alot to you why tanks say what we do.

http://taugrim.com/2012/01/19/unders...-tanks-in-pvp/

Oh I understand why you guys say heavy armor doesn't mean anything. So many attacks in this game bypass that mitigation that its as little ridiculous. But I still say that, inspite of all the QQing, most heavy armor users don't understand how much of an advantage that "crappy mitigation" is. Seriously though, show me a heavy armor class that put on light/medium armor and says there isn't a huge difference and I'll show you a liar.

Rage Jugg > Rage Marauder every time if the jugg knows what he's doing - better damage, easier to buy time between smash cooldowns via CC, far fewer misses with smash, and even with a rage MARA popping all 3 defensive CD's a rage jugg will out-tank a rage Mara. As for the other dps spec of jugg, I wouldn't really know much about it - it only seems to tickle and every dps jugg on my server is now rage. Not all rage juggs know the best rotation/tactics, so there are always a few that stand out moreso based upon the skill of the player and the mods they stack.

Comparing "DPS Jugg" to all Marauder specs is too generic to clarify, but Rage specced Jugg is better than Rage-specced Mara. In 1.2 you'll notice significantly lower "god-mode" survivability out of annihilation marauder and the Carnage/Rage specs will play slightly differently compared to how they do now.

But seriously, you're either confused, misinformed, or a combination of both to assume that a marauder whom is probably getting at least 1 DEDICATED healer to keep him alive to be capable of having more survivability than a Jugg, even with all 3 defensive CD's ready.