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Who Swtor was made for.


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DarthDetonate
04.09.2012 , 09:22 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by grandmthethird View Post
i hope you find your game OP
Thank you sir and i believe I have June 19th. Then again, Ive said that before.

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viith
04.09.2012 , 09:24 AM | #12
This game is made for me. Huge Star Wars fan, very casual. I've been playing since day 1 of early access, have yet to hit 50 and having a great time. Thank you Bioware, I love this game.
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Jandi
04.09.2012 , 09:27 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher_nemo View Post
It depends on if you mean "hardcore" as in...
  1. Want a challenging experience, so they do all hard and nightmare mode content.
  2. Want to do everything in game. Absolutely everything.
  3. Have nearly unlimited time and no life so they devote all of their time to the game.
If you're #1 and/or #2, then parts of TOR are targeted at you and it's on-par, if not better than many other MMOs for this.

If you're #3 then you're sadly out of luck, as you would be with just about every single MMO out there. The only exceptions might be sand-box MMOs, or seemingly neverending PvP like in EVE Online. TOR is an amusement park style MMO, just like WoW, in which those who spend their whole lives here are NEVER going to be satisfied as the developer will never be able to make enough content for you in a timely fashion.
I know I might be an exception when I say this, but that's not entirely true. I've been unable to work for the past 3 years now due to a medical condition so I have all the time in the world and, as being in the outside world can be frustrating due to it, I have no life to speak of really. Yet, I still like the game, even though I have 5x50 and done everything, twice.

I just take weeks off playing other things or read a book etc when I don't feel like logging in. I only do my officer duties in the guild and that's all the interaction I have with the game at times.

The problem is that people devour the game without any pauses and get burned out, don't even want to try doing things for the sake of doing things and then complain that the game is boring.

This isn't to be confused with people who get bored because they find the whole genre boring. Why those people keep buying games at launch from a genre they don't like in the first place, then complain that it's crap is beyond me but, well, at least BW gets more money to make the game better so *shrug*

The core of the problem is rather simple, though. Some people just expect game developers to conjure up content on a monthly basis out of thin air due to complete ignorance of the development process. This is very evident in the forums.

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xorcist
04.09.2012 , 09:27 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDetonate View Post
This is not a game aimed at the hardcore. Many HC gamers (like myself) are guilty of trying to make this game it simply isn't.

As the Bioware Rep on the Pax East Panel said, to Paraphrase "your focused demographic is usually dictated by how much the game cost to make. In the future when these game can be made faster and for less money, I'm sure we'll see a lot of games aimed a niche audiences like the hardcore but for now, you don't spend 300 million on a game for 70k-100k subscriptions."

When I quit WoW years ago, I said i would wait for Swtor, as it seemed to have what i wanted from a game and after 7 years, it wasn't set in Azeroth.


What i didn't (but should have) anticipated was the targeted audience and how wide the net Swtor was casting.

After hitting 50, raiding and rolling numerous alts to 50 It started to sink in that the overall difficulty level of this game is not what i expected. Then again, what I expected was based on what I had hoped for rather than what was most logical for the company and the subsequent game.


Basically we the minority, the hardcore few will never change the aims of this game and would be silly to even try to. Accept What the game is, then evaluate if it is for you. Anything more is just trying to change something that was obviously not meant for your play style.
You the minority will never be satisfied with any one MMO out there. Simply put, there is no single MMORPG that can keep up to the rate which you consume content. Thats simply a fact. Sleep is good. Spending time away from the screen once in a while is good too. I think you've logged in way more time than the average subscriber. Too much of anything is not good.
"There is no calamity greater than lavish desires....
And there is no greater disaster than greed
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HeavensAgent
04.09.2012 , 09:28 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDetonate View Post
Thank you sir and i believe I have June 19th. Then again, Ive said that before.
If not, feel free to swing by and see how things are progressing here. A lot can change in a few months, and as I said I believe attention to the hardcore crowd is inevitable. As it should be.

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DarthDetonate
04.09.2012 , 09:32 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by xorcist View Post
You the minority will never be satisfied with any one MMO out there. Simply put, there is no single MMORPG that can keep up to the rate which you consume content. Thats simply a fact. Sleep is good. Spending time away from the screen once in a while is good too. I think you've logged in way more time than the average subscriber. Too much of anything is not good.
I posted this in peace. A simple nudge at the more vocal players that are dissatisfied with the content or difficulty ramping. Please don't assume to know my playtime or that I play this game 24 hours a day. As i said in my OP, assumptions, more often than not, fail the assumer.

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DarthDetonate
04.09.2012 , 09:33 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
If not, feel free to swing by and see how things are progressing here. A lot can change in a few months, and as I said I believe attention to the hardcore crowd is inevitable. As it should be.
And you may very well be right.

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HeavensAgent
04.09.2012 , 09:35 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by xorcist View Post
Simply put, there is no single MMORPG that can keep up to the rate which you consume content. Thats simply a fact. Sleep is good. Spending time away from the screen once in a while is good too. I think you've logged in way more time than the average subscriber. Too much of anything is not good.
Alternatively, and perhaps a less condescending idea, the answer may simply be to select several titles you enjoy and bounce among them; complete the game's new content, cancel, and go onto the next title. Eventually come back to the first and start again, experiencing the content that's been added since your last departure.

There is a lot of merit to the idea that developers simply cannot keep up with the demands of the hardcore demographic. This doesn't mean developers shouldn't attempt to do so, but as a consumer community hardcore players have to face the facts: your content demands are extremely high, and it may not be humanly possible to design, develop, test, and implement content fast enough to meet these demands.

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GalacticKegger
04.09.2012 , 09:37 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
If not, feel free to swing by and see how things are progressing here. A lot can change in a few months, and as I said I believe attention to the hardcore crowd is inevitable. As it should be.
Personally I like to think there is a distinct difference between hardcore and extreme. Not sure that extreme isn't what was being referred to.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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NorrinRaddd
04.09.2012 , 09:39 AM | #20
What exactly is Hardcore in this aspect? Hardcore as in no life spend all my money on a particular game or hardcore as in "hard content". If its the first part I pity a lot of you.