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Is it true they are removing Lightsaber colors in 1.2?

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Is it true they are removing Lightsaber colors in 1.2?

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CelCawdro
04.08.2012 , 10:30 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by P-Funk View Post
People who want free form use of colours and themes for both sides should just say it, instead of claiming that everything which is actually consistent with the world of Star Wars is "Narrow Minded".
Star Wars lore exists outside of the movies. SW:TOR is one such instance. To adhere solely to the movies and to use them as the sole basis for one's opinion regarding how things should be in-game is, yes, narrow-minded.

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ConradLionhart
04.08.2012 , 10:43 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by monkgryphon View Post
I think he explained it was narrow minded as it was only referencing the movies.

I explicitly remember Anakin wielding a blue saber while he was clearly a Sith and killing Jedi Younglings and fighting Obi-wan, also him wielding a Red Saber taken from Dooku to cut his head off before clearly becoming a Sith.
Yes but that was just a temporary isolated exception.

Might as well allow Jedi to use blaster pistols because Luke used one as well.

In this game, there must be a balance between realism and gameplay. That is why Jedi are restricted from using blaster pistols. Not because they are incapable of pulling the trigger, they can pull the trigger, but for the sake of gameplay balance.

In the same way, red should be restricted to sith and blue should be restricted to jedi. Not because there is a light/dark requirement to use them, there aren't, but for the sake of immersion and lore.

I challenge anyone to show me a jedi npc in the game that uses red lightsaber, and a sith np that uses blue lightsaber. No, they probably don't exist, because even the devs don't want to ruin immersion and story with that nonsense. Red = sith, blue = jedi.

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Jackobite
04.08.2012 , 10:47 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Yes but that was just a temporary isolated exception.

Might as well allow Jedi to use blaster pistols because Luke used one as well.

In this game, there must be a balance between realism and gameplay. That is why Jedi are restricted from using blaster pistols. Not because they are incapable of pulling the trigger, they can pull the trigger, but for the sake of gameplay balance.

In the same way, red should be restricted to sith and blue should be restricted to jedi. Not because there is a light/dark requirement to use them, there aren't, but for the sake of immersion and lore.
I see that but at the same time im against forcing people to play how I see it,

I have a white on my jedi who is nice and good and it fits for me. I would like to see a red sabre and know its a sith but im happy to let the game play.
CE

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Unusualsuspect
04.08.2012 , 11:12 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Yes but that was just a temporary isolated exception.

Might as well allow Jedi to use blaster pistols because Luke used one as well.

In this game, there must be a balance between realism and gameplay. That is why Jedi are restricted from using blaster pistols. Not because they are incapable of pulling the trigger, they can pull the trigger, but for the sake of gameplay balance.

In the same way, red should be restricted to sith and blue should be restricted to jedi. Not because there is a light/dark requirement to use them, there aren't, but for the sake of immersion and lore.

I challenge anyone to show me a jedi npc in the game that uses red lightsaber, and a sith np that uses blue lightsaber. No, they probably don't exist, because even the devs don't want to ruin immersion and story with that nonsense. Red = sith, blue = jedi.
The thing about NPCs is that they are rarely the special snowflake flowers of uniqueness that a Player Character, by dint of story, will necessarily be. NPCs going against the grain would be contrary to the purpose of providing greater distinction for characters that are supposed to stand out.

You'll find a metric **** ton of EU/book/game characters that take convention and throw it out the window. Why? They're special snowflakes, that's why! Despite the fact that this is a MMO, it still follows the "Special Snowflake" principle for players. We ARE the exceptions. We ARE the unusually powerful, specially inclined, willing-to-throw-tradition-on-its-*** folks that can, should, and DO choose to show their colors in ways that would make the Dark Council and Jedi Council **** themselves in anger.

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Pythoris
04.09.2012 , 12:15 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Etilrellim View Post
There is a reason you tend to see the Sith using red sabers. While the Jedi used natural crystals, the Sith often used red-hued synthetic crystals. Sith-made synthetic crystals create a slightly more powerful blade when energized by the dark side of the Force, occasionally demonstrating the ability to "break" Jedi lightsaber blades, disrupting the energy circuit and shorting out the weapon, as almost happened to Obi-Wan Kenobi while fighting Darth Vader on the first Death Star.

Though synthetic crystals were ordinarily unsuitable for use in lightsabers, the Sith discovered that they could create synth-crystals that were energized, magnetized, and modified with the power of the dark side of the Force in special furnaces, causing the crystal to glow in harmonic vibration. As a result of their artificial origins, synthetic crystals created more powerful lightsaber blades and could be more easily augmented. Also, their common usage by Sith and other Darksiders after this discovery caused synthetic crystals to become something of a staple among such groups, and their use among Jedi was strongly discouraged.

However, synth-crystals could be made in any color, requiring only slight adjustments of the creation process and special manipulations through the Force during the forging. As Jedi frowned on the use of synthetic crystals in lightsabers, most individuals who utilized colors other than red were Darksiders looking to hide their affiliations.

Here is your reason you see Sith with the red sabers. Does not mean they HAD to use red though.
^^This really, really should have ended this little "debate".

Really...
Inquisitor > all other classes. Yep, I totally went there.

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maxetius
04.09.2012 , 12:35 AM | #46
Watching this topic and the posts of those 'debating' devolve is fascinating in and of itself.

Here comes the 'well movies are G canon so they are true and red is sith only' part. Unless I missed it already. rofl

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T-Bo
04.09.2012 , 01:17 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Valin_Thren View Post
ON-TOPIC..

The only crystal being removed "for an indefinite period of time" (implying it will make a return) is white. Purples (available only at 50) are being inserted into Artifice at varying levels like their red, green, yellow, etc counterparts, if I have understood correctly.

On that note, already-existing whites will not be removed. So grab one while you can if you want one.
Does this also apply to the Cyan crystal? It will become part of artifice?

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Deamor
04.09.2012 , 01:30 AM | #48
"Exar Kun is one of only five known Dark Lords to construct and wield a lightsaber that did not utilize a red focusing crystal.
Darth Vader used his original Jedi lightsaber before he lost it to Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar, Darth Traya used three violet lightsabers by holding them aloft with the Force (although she initially used a red lightsaber), Darth Caedus used his Jedi lightsaber, which had a green crystal, before losing it to Luke Skywalker in their duel, and Freedon Nadd used a bronze bladed shoto.
Originally the number of Sith Lords to wield a lightsaber that did not utilize a red crystal numbered six, as it was once canon that Darth Bane wielded a violet bladed lightsaber, but this was eventually retconned."


Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exar_Kun
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ThefTalanus
04.09.2012 , 02:10 AM | #49
Honestly, Its about diversity in my eyes. It would be boring running around, sith red, jedi Blue. They are giving us choices on what colors to pick. Deal with it

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Marak
04.09.2012 , 02:11 AM | #50
My philosophy is this: Let people do what they want. It makes it easier for me to judge them later.

Sith with non-red (I'll allow purple) crystals are fail.