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FULL resolve yet still getting pulled into fire, getting

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indelible
04.07.2012 , 11:13 AM | #61
I really wish people would stop lying about resolve.

It really does make you all look very silly.
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Zintair
04.07.2012 , 11:17 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaarsa View Post
I am not 100% sure about force leap, lets say 99%. It does white damage after all.

Resolve is not here to prevent being CCed, resolve is here to prevent being incapacitated (ie. unable to take any action). Even if you are rooted in the fire pit, you can still pass. It is a simple conclusion from the resolve design - it only stops things that prevent you from taking actions or force movement on you. Devs decided that being unable to move =/= being unable to act. I think it is working fine as it is.

There is already thought process in regards of using force leap - can my target immidiately reopen the gap (by for example knocking me off the ledge)? Do I have another way to close the gap? Will I be able to do anything after charging or will I be focused by 5 people and die in seconds? Or maybe I actually want to get focused by them, I will use my defensive CD and make them waste 10 seconds killing me while my team scores? Saying that there is no reason to no leap is not doing any good to your creditibility.

You say that currently huttball between even teams ends in 0-0 often. I say - very good, this is how it should be!

As I said, you are free to disagree, I just state my own opinion
Yeah I don't disagree that bad. I don;t think it requires even it's own post you know? Just something I had some personal feelings on haha.

I need to hear the other sides of an argument before I'm satisfied my own is justified. BW decided it and I guess we need to bow their their decisions.

I secretly would love a root haha. But we have enough NERF Shadow/Sin threads from the baddies.
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Hyfy
04.07.2012 , 02:29 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaarsa View Post
ok, I will bite and answer again

1. They actually "frapsed" landing on the moon, you know? And maybe you know that Russians "fake-frapsed" their landing? (this is offtopic ofc with a bit of joking)

2. I already said to you - amount of people who dont know even a little bit how resolve works and stating that they seen it not working is amazing. In most such topics, usualy already in the opening post there is a proof that poster dont know what he is talking about. You say you know how resolve works and I believe you. But those "swathes of people" mostly dont have the clue. What they think they saw is not a proof or indication for anything, besides their belief that they should not be CCed at all because it is not fun (again, a bit of sarcazm here).

3. One of the posters above mentioned that your attack can be resisted or dodged (depending on type) - maybe this is what happened? I dont know and regardless of your job history, I dont believe you are able to notice every single little detail of situation, we are all humans and we may miss something. Inability to accept that leads to failure. I have never seen resolve not working, but it does not mean it is impossible. This is a reason why I ask for video - not only because I have never seen that, but to be able to analize sistuation, confirm that it is a bug, report it, check if it is random or easily repetable and hopefuly make BW fix it ASAP, because IMO working resolve is one of the most important things in SW TOR pvp - it affects everyone.

I'm not saying I catch everything, what I'm saying is Nefause of my training i am more situationally aware and i very much so try to remain very aware of what's going on especially with things like the ball carrier heading towards my goal. If it was a one off thing I'd caulk it up to a server hiccup. It's not though, I am seeing it happen and happen often. And I'm not running a bad computer nor a bad Internet connection to account for lag issues (12 Meg service). And seeing the number of people accounting for the same issues to include other members of my guild who are avid and rather rabid for that matter PvP players.

Even still my point still stands, just because someone didn't record it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and to blindly argue that it doesn't happen and that they are wrong without know who or what they are doesnt mean the system isn't A) doing exactly what is being reported to do and B) torqued and in need of a change.
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Hyfy
04.07.2012 , 02:34 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by LenrocNewDawn View Post
Say what?? Rooted player can't be pulled or pushed? Oh, if they have resolve active they cannot be pulled/pushed by the enemy, but that has nothing to do with being rooted.
If you can't be bothered with presenting evidence to support your claims please don't bother us with your nonsense claims. Kaarsa did bother to test how resolve works and find values for most CCs so maybe you should go check that out. You'll find that your great situational awareness is enriched with some knowledge that you are lacking right now.
Go back and reread what was said. People who don't have full resolve bars and do not have other abilities up to stop said attacks are shrugging off pushes and pulls as if they were never cast. No one is saying that someone with a full resolve bar isn't or should t be immune to that. Alternatively the other argument being made is then people with full resolve bars are being chain stunned, rooted, mezz'd etc to the point where they are not able to do anything what so ever. Hence the overall argument of "the resolve system is screwed up" is being made. It's working when it shouldn't and not working when it should. Now who knows, with the onset of more and more people tweaking and messing around with client side files this may be an issue of people cheating on my server, but until that is determined to be the case the only othe logical assumption is that the resolve system is torqued.

We clear this time?
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JediMasterSarynn
04.07.2012 , 02:41 PM | #65
After I finally understood how resolve works, I must say it is working as intended. There is no doubt about that.

That said, it is a horrible system that needs an overhaul. Working as intended does not equal a good mechanic or feature.
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Ortof
04.07.2012 , 02:44 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by indelible View Post
I really wish people would stop lying about resolve.

It really does make you all look very silly.
I see no reason to lie about it. What benefit does it do me? But, like Hyfy has said, because "you" and all the powers you and the others hold, haven't seen it and it hasn't been recorded to date means it doesn't happen.

No really, we got your points guys thanks for being superior.

A bit snarky ya, but to completely dismiss what people are saying because you haven't seen it is fool hearted to say the least. A past example of this, "the world is flat". I suppose you guys don't have a denomination either and think everyone that has a religion is simply lying to themselves and others.

Again, stating what I have seen does me no benefit what so ever. Why would I lie about it? I'm not the best PVP'er, but I am far from the worst. There is no "I get paid for gaming cause I am pro" for me or even in this game... So give me one legit reason why I would lie about it?

And to the guy telling me to get a better internet connection. I have 18 down and a 2up though I generally run 2.5 up. Should I upgrade?

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Kaarsa
04.07.2012 , 03:08 PM | #67
And same thing all over again

"I have great comp and internet connection, I see resolve bugged often and I am going to tell everyone around it is bugged but I refuse to make a recording because it is below my level to actualy provide an evidence to my claims. Suck it up"

Well, I refuse to suck it up. I think YOU are in possition of claiming that earth is flat. Prove it. Provede a video, not for me or any other forum poster, but for BW to help them fix possible bugs you encounter. Otherwise, I will always point you here:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=381190

For the record I know you dont care. I dont do it for you, I never did. But your reports and claims confuses toher people who may read them and this can increase disinformation and whinning about resolve system.

Bring me video.

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Motav
04.07.2012 , 03:14 PM | #68
Usually prevented with Force Shroud, the Juggernaut equivalent, or anything else similar.

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Ortof
04.07.2012 , 03:16 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaarsa View Post
And same thing all over again

"I have great comp and internet connection, I see resolve bugged often and I am going to tell everyone around it is bugged but I refuse to make a recording because it is below my level to actualy provide an evidence to my claims. Suck it up"

Well, I refuse to suck it up. I think YOU are in possition of claiming that earth is flat. Prove it. Provede a video, not for me or any other forum poster, but for BW to help them fix possible bugs you encounter. Otherwise, I will always point you here:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=381190

For the record I know you dont care. I dont do it for you, I never did. But your reports and claims confuses toher people who may read them and this can increase disinformation and whinning about resolve system.

Bring me video.


Wait wait wait, what happened to "I'll test it out tomorrow and come back and post?" I don't need to link your thread because you did already in which not only did you say it there, but you said it here. Because you have a friend that would help- you etc etc etc.

Now it's bring me video...

To the guy above you, I have NEVER said that I was getting rooted, snared etc and complained about it when my resolve bar was full. My experience has been with Op's and Scoundrels that have stunned me while my resolve bar was white and ticking down and wanting an explanation for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Though the general concensus out of a couple of you is, 'OMG your a noob who hasn't hit 50 playing on a commador 64 and dial-up". Come on......

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Ortof
04.07.2012 , 03:22 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by coolnamesrtaken View Post
I'm not saying you're lying about it. I'm saying you're blind to what's happening to you and don't know what you're talking about.



Knowledge is power, so yes, people who know what they are talking about > those who don't



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Never quoted your post saying that "you" said I was lying did I? And do you really want to get into a ghost proof story? No need for me to post video, I'll just give you a link. http://www.travelchannel.com/tv-show...entures/videos 22 pages of video proof for you, but hey call it what you will. These guys have submitted their videos to video analysis experts to prove that the videos haven't been tampered with. But we can chalk all the evidence up to that Flying Spaghetti Monster you were referring to.

EDIT: To clarify something for the "na" sayers. I have had the resolve bar stun happen to me 8-10 times (round about). I'm at valor rank 65 atm. If you think about all the matches and all the people I have faced it's rather obvious this isn't an "all the time" occurrence.