1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

Taken from GZ's quote that you plastered in the thread:

"Many different mods can now be reverse engineered which will grant you a schematic to craft that mod. (This is not possible on armoring that carry a set bonus.)"

You cannot reverse engineer the armoring mod that carries a set bonus.

This means you cannot buy the armoring mod/hilt that makes the item have a raid level itemlevel (rating 140, 146, etc) from the GTN because they are not reverse engineer'able.

After 1.2, the raid exclusive loot will be the armoring mod - the piece which carries the set bonus.

Yes, but you must be present in the raid and win the token to get the gear to pull the armoring mod with the set bonus out of first.

Very good points.

Another way that BW could solve this problem if Raiders are so intent on having vastly superior gear, since it should only be available from a raid:

Add an item slot that is STRICTLY a resist slot. The only time you will face an encounter that requires say a UNIVERSAL RESIST, is within a riad. Have an encounter specific debuff going off the entire time you are engaged in the encounter, and if you can't meet the resist check, then you suffer too much damage.

This item would be useless in PvP. It would be useless in PvE content, outside of the raid zone. The only way you could acquire these progressive resist items is through defeating bosses in raids. It allows for meaningful progression - instead of hampster wheel grind. It works as a Key/Flagging system.

Gavin wouldn't like this though. When he uploads his dps data with another player that has exact stats, from gear acquired in a different way, he might be "out performed", and exposed that a casual player that doesn't raid all that much, may in fact be more situationally aware, quicker with his dps/heal rotations, and quite possibly a "better player"

It eliminates hampster wheel grinding raiders from out performing casuals based on gear alone.

It allows for the accomplishment of defeating a Boss to stand on its' own merrit, and a meaningful step of progression based raiding.

I didnt bother reading the other 46.9 pages, but you get daily comms from the Corellia dailies, not BH comms.

well gavin at 37 loss subs for swtor from casuals so far just from me. 4 returns of game from last weekend till today from new players i almost got to join had them buy diablo 3. 1 return of horrible swtor mouse and keypad. so i almost got your 60 accounts in about a week just talking to people that where not in raid guilds. so enjoy.

Ok guys lets explain something 1st.

In this game we have stat called PRESENCE? Right?

And what does Presence do? Buffs COMPANIONS Right?

So let solo gear from dailies give daily commendetation that gives 80% of Raid gear stats (Aim etc) and XY amount of presence so those who ONLY PvE solo content would have worse gear than those who do raid content.

This WOULD achieve multiple things.

1. Solo players will advance gear
2. Raid gear would be ''show off'' and statement that ''You COMPLETED some part of content''
3. Raiders are ''happy'' or happier atleast

Why do we have presence then if not for such usage. Presence is a freaking SOLO stat.... or duo at most...

Leave raid gear for raiders and people who do group content and give solo players presence gear for their trigger happy solo playing with companions.

What it doesn't achieve is:

1 - Giving players multiple paths to the same destination allowing players to freely move back and forth between those paths. I.E. I can't raid for the next month due to RL stuff. But I would like to stay up to date gear wise with my guild mates. So a month from now when I can raid I don't have any raid gear. Same goes for alts. I wouldn't mind having my alt raid ready so if needed I can bring him in to a raid. etc.

2 - Balance between the playstyles. Your solution treats raiders as something special while soloiers get gear that at 80% is probably worse than 50 greens.

3- Happiness for everyone. Your solution is all about making raiders happy. That's not a solution.

So tell me do you/we have multiple paths to lvl at lvl 1? Or do we all have to kill mobs do quests?

You cant should not have multiple paths always.... there should be UNIQUE things per path of progression for every path people choose and it needs to be big enough so people go for it.

Its not the same if you climb Mount Everest or go infront picture of Mount Everest... We cant say they should both end with same results aka you being on the Mount Everest...

This is wrong thinking!

Yes, we do.

We can solo, we can group, we can do quests, we can just kill mobs. By level 10 we add PvP and instances that are optional as well.

I can deal with "UNIQUE". The problem starts when "UNIQUE" means raiders get the best gear.

Ah yes, the raiders do epic amounts of "work" and therefore "earn" the gear while soloing is easymode welfare gear argument.

However, in this case the soloiers are putting in far more effort.

But back to your analogy, there is two main routes up Mt Everest. The north ridge or southeast ridge. Taking either path is worthy of the same reward.

The "wrong thinking!" is that raiders are somehow special.

YES exactly, you can JUST kill mobs but that wont give you THE SAME gear as finishing quest will is that right?

It should be the best gear for raiding in the 1st place... if best gear for raiding means best gear for PvE thi is not my fault... they can put so much presence on so Companions will make you more powerful than people in Raider gear and companion

Example

Raider geared + Raider geared Companion is less power than Presence geared player and presence geared companion

See how simple it is?

No you dont put in more effort... by plain logic harder thing is what less peopel can achieve is that right?

Thats the bottom line in general while it never applies to 100% of achievements it surely applies to this one...

If raiding would be less ''hard'' work everyone would do it but many simple cannot afford time and coordination and organisation to achieve this thus it is ''hard'' for them neverminding the reasons the bottom line is they CANNOT achieve it

Soloers put ZERO effort... i soloed all my time on my 1st server 1-50 excluding 2 flashpoints and 1 heroic on tattoine and there was 0 effort everything is so easy in this game it hurts me to play it.

The only thing soloer puts in is time and even then the time is by his choosing and is not coordinated with noone but himself and his life where raiders need to coordinate with alot of things.

It is worthy, but if 2 people will go the same time 1 goes the ''easy'' way other the hard one who will get praised more?

The wrong thinking is that soloers are somehow worth the same as those who group and coordinate themselves with relatively high amount of other players.

There should be the difference... If you can coordinate your gameplay to overcome content that requires you to fix your life around it you should get higher rewards...

Problem is because ''soloers'' or casuals or whatever you want think they shouldnt SACRIFICE ANYTHING tand get WHAT those who would SACRIFICE something get.

Thats the problem... If you have familly kids ok have them someone chose to dedicate life to a game why shouldnt he have more and better gear ingame than you?

You can get the same gear or better since gear drops from mobs. Plus you get the same quest rewards whether you solo them or group up for them. This despite the fact that doing them in a group is easier.

So you would be good with gear that suffered an -80% penalty if used outside of raids then?



We complete both hard mode raids in under 3 hours. Netting us an average of 3 pieces of rakata gear each. By comparison it takes a week of dailies to earn a single rakata piece.


We aren't talking about soloing from level 1 to 50. We are talking about end game soloing that can be made every bit as hard as raiding. Plus it takes the same amount of effort to solo as raid. You need to log in, spend time in front of a computer, and push buttons.

That's the sad part, some raiders actually think people praise them....

****! sacrifice? Seriously? It's a game. What sacrifice are you putting into raiding? Seriously?

Wow, simply, wow.