why be a pure DPS when DPS tanks do more damage

this is why people that called for soc DPS nerf were stupid....

Soc DPS was never great, they did lame AOE damage that impressed people like the OP but anyone who knows anything about PVP knows socs were easy kills.

The only thing they were was annoying cuz of all the CC and escape abilities and the fact so many were playing them that they were more annoying then anything else.

Exactly. Class balance is pretty good as it is. The only things that really need any tweaking are Scoundrel/Op healers and Gunslinger/Sniper, but even then they can be amazing in the right hands.

This is about tank/dps hybrids. Do you know what that means? Do you know which classes those are?

No one is calling out for a nerf.

The OP simply stated that there is no reason to play a pure DPS class when a tank/DPS hybrid class ALWAYS will outdamage you. AND YES THAT MEANS DPS ALSO!!!!

A WZ is a fixed number of seconds. If you die you don't do DPS.

The clouding argument od 'DPS only applies when you are fighting' is irrelevant. That is simply an argument about the definition of the term. HAS ZERO TO DO WITH WHAT THE OP IS SAYING.

There is what? 1 left in the game and is soon to be nerfed? The wheels are in motion to change that already. Wait for the patch to come out in a week or 2.

Now, if you're calling a 31/0/10 dps geared Assassin a hybrid, I stand by my statement. A tank in DPS gear is a tank in dps gear.

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Still insulting me because you don't have a leg to stand on, huh? I'll go ahead and take some of the guess work out for you with ACTUAL EVIDENCE in the shadow/assassin AC.

2/31/8 PvE Infiltration http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4135/...rationdumm.png 1357 dps

7/3/31 PVE Balance(without project, damage would increase if used) http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8216/adribalance2.png 1283.4 dps

7/3/31 PvE no project, with SS http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8...ribalance3.png 1374 dps

31/0/10 tank build, dps gear http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4323/kinetic.png 1099 dps


NOTE: Notice how much of the Tank specs damage is from AoE abilities...

About skill names in the parses:

- Crushed (Force) = Force Breach with Force Technique
- Crushed = Telekinetic Throw
- Dark Spike = Proc from Dark Energy Surge relic

So, now that I've provided you actual evidence with parses, where is this KC spec that out damages even it's own dps equivalent?

This is the most insane post i've read yet. the only way to hit that number, is vs a bunch of greenhorn noobs

Well, that's unfortunate. I'm afraid it doesn't.

There is no clouding of the issue; we are trying to get you to understand a very simple point, that you seem to refuse to comprehend. That's fine, not everyone can understand the difference between meaningful damage and negligible damage.

But that doesn't mean that your fallacious judgment is correct, because it's not.

And look at that, parses that show that a tank in dps gear is nowhere close to an actual dps spec in dps. Just like everyone has been trying to tell you; imagine that.

ps) Thank you, Cowflab, for bringing actually relevant numbers to this discussion.