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why be a pure DPS when DPS tanks do more damage

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why be a pure DPS when DPS tanks do more damage

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Schwarzwald
04.05.2012 , 02:31 PM | #51
Pure DPS should kill people faster, meaning less time spent attacking that individual and if you burst hard enough, should result in lower total damage done due to the fact that there will be no one around to DPS.

Tank DPS won't kill people as fast, giving enemy healers more time to heal up the Tank DPS' target, meaning more overall damage will have to be done in order to kill the target.


Conclusion: Total Damage Done is not an indicator of who was DPSing 'harder' or 'better'.
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AngryBuddhist
04.05.2012 , 02:42 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
What you said makes no sense.

There is no tank in this game that can outdps a pure dps class.



Wrong. You must not play much.


Your argument is to take a screenshot that doesn't even show all of the WZ stats themselves, let alone even begin to tell the whole story of what happened, and to take them WAY out of context in order to build a flawed-from-the-start argument about tanks doing insane damage.

Ummm you can't do math. Do you know what a fraction is? Do you understand the phrase 'damage per second'? Do you grasp that minutes are made up of seconds? Do you grasp that WZ's have a fixed number of minutes?

You fail at 1st grade math.

The OP claims that pure DPS is cheated because hybrid DPS out damage them in WZ's. This is an obvious truth.

Your failure to understand that doesn't change it. Dead damage classes don't do any damage. That is the crux of the argument. Pure DPS class unable to maintain pure DPS thourhgout a fixed timeframe vs hybrid tank/damage class that can stay alive and do MORe damage in the time frame. That is the complaint. Try to grasp it.

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furiousferret
04.05.2012 , 02:42 PM | #53
There is no way an Immortal Jugg is going to outdps a Mara or Sniper in similar conditions, its just not going to happen. 300k for an Immortal is exception output, 200k is average. This is not to say Immortal is bad, because they have amazing utility and can win games with that utility.

Additionally, Marauders are buffed now so the shared tree (Rage) puts out more dps for a Marauder than a Juggernaut.

I will not speak for Powertechs but our Assassin tank can do 400k with 200k protection, which is just insane.
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AngryBuddhist
04.05.2012 , 02:43 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Schwarzwald View Post
Pure DPS should kill people faster, meaning less time spent attacking that individual and if you burst hard enough, should result in lower total damage done due to the fact that there will be no one around to DPS.

Tank DPS won't kill people as fast, giving enemy healers more time to heal up the Tank DPS' target, meaning more overall damage will have to be done in order to kill the target.


Conclusion: Total Damage Done is not an indicator of who was DPSing 'harder' or 'better'.
You are suffering the same lack of understanding of the OP's argument as this other guy.

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LordbishopX
04.05.2012 , 02:47 PM | #55
Total damage vs DPS what we have hear is a failure to communicate and basic failing at math in general on to the next one.
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Darth_Philar
04.05.2012 , 02:50 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
Ummm you can't do math. Do you know what a fraction is? Do you understand the phrase 'damage per second'? Do you grasp that minutes are made up of seconds? Do you grasp that WZ's have a fixed number of minutes?

You fail at 1st grade math.

The OP claims that pure DPS is cheated because hybrid DPS out damage them in WZ's. This is an obvious truth.

Your failure to understand that doesn't change it. Dead damage classes don't do any damage. That is the crux of the argument. Pure DPS class unable to maintain pure DPS thourhgout a fixed timeframe vs hybrid tank/damage class that can stay alive and do MORe damage in the time frame. That is the complaint. Try to grasp it.
DPS is only counted while actual damage is being meted out. Time spent in the rez zone and time spent out of combat is NOT included in calculating DPS.

DPS is a measure of sustained damage during combat. It is a RATE, not a volume. Damage Done is a measure of total damage done. It is a measure of volume, not a rate.
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AngryBuddhist
04.05.2012 , 02:54 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
DPS is only counted while actual damage is being meted out. Time spent in the rez zone and time spent out of combat is NOT included in calculating DPS.

DPS is a measure of sustained damage during combat. It is a RATE, not a volume. Damage Done is a measure of total damage done. It is a measure of volume, not a rate.
Yes and the rate varies due to you being DEAD! It is a 15 minute match. How much damage can you do during the match?

If it is easier for you guys then simply take 15 times 60. that's the total seconds. Divide your damage by that and that is your DPS for the match.

If you got dead and had to respawn TOO BAD!!! you suck for dieing and your DPS goes lower for it.

Jesus Christ why are we not funding schools these days!

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LordbishopX
04.05.2012 , 03:02 PM | #58
No hope simple math is made simpler with bad logic and bad reasoning. Man awesome this should be a case study lol. Fundamental ways to calc dps 101.

Everyone needs to splash aoe 100% and dots during a match to get dps up period. **rollseye***
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Darth_Philar
04.05.2012 , 03:05 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
Yes and the rate varies due to you being DEAD! It is a 15 minute match. How much damage can you do during the match?

If it is easier for you guys then simply take 15 times 60. that's the total seconds. Divide your damage by that and that is your DPS for the match.

If you got dead and had to respawn TOO BAD!!! you suck for dieing and your DPS goes lower for it.

Jesus Christ why are we not funding schools these days!
Let me explain this for you:

Tanks are like a Electric Prius
DPS are like a Ferrari

The Ferrari can go 210 MPH (this is the DPS)
The Prius can go 50 MPH

The Ferrari gets 15 MPG (this is its "hitpoints")
The Prius gets 50 MPG
They both have a 15 gallon gas tank

The Ferrari can reach 225 miles in 1.1 hour but then dies due to low hitpoints
The Prius can reach 225 miles in 4.5 hours but still has hitpoints left and keeps going.

The Ferrari reaches the 225 miles 4 times faster than the Prius because the Ferrari has a higher DPS. The Prius takes 4 times as long as the Ferrari to hit 225 miles, but keeps chugging past 225 miles all the way to 750 since it didn't run out of gas.

Ergo, the Ferrari can go faster and thus has a higher DPS (rate of damage) while the Prius can go longer and thus has a higher miles traveled (Damage Done).
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Varicite
04.05.2012 , 03:11 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
Ummm you can't do math. Do you know what a fraction is? Do you understand the phrase 'damage per second'? Do you grasp that minutes are made up of seconds? Do you grasp that WZ's have a fixed number of minutes?

You fail at 1st grade math.

The OP claims that pure DPS is cheated because hybrid DPS out damage them in WZ's. This is an obvious truth.

Your failure to understand that doesn't change it. Dead damage classes don't do any damage. That is the crux of the argument. Pure DPS class unable to maintain pure DPS thourhgout a fixed timeframe vs hybrid tank/damage class that can stay alive and do MORe damage in the time frame. That is the complaint. Try to grasp it.
I'm not failing to understand anything you're saying. What you're saying is just.. not correct.

Philar does a decent job of explaining it, if you like cars. : )
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