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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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amantheil
04.02.2012 , 06:33 PM | #971
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
The reason for the references to WoW in this thread is some think thier cross server tool is not working well and others think it is. So it is staying on topic when those who think the cross server tool Blizz added was a failure and those who know it is not defends it. The same reasons why it works well and some of it's short comings is very much on topic in this thread. These posts in reference to WoW's cross server LFG tool is how it can work in TOR.
Yeah, I get it.

Look, I'll admit the WoW LFG tool isn't perfect (and it is important to keep in mind that Blizzard implemented a different loot system for 5-man dungeons than they did for raids). Even the system WoW had BEFORE LFG is better than what SWTOR has now. On the 'old', single-server LFD tool you opened a window and pulled up a list of dungeons in your level range, and you could then add your name as someone looking for a group for that dungeon. It didn't automatically form groups, and it didn't automatically port you to the location. It didn't have any fancy loot rules. But from anywhere in the world, you could open up a window and see if anyone else was looking for a group for the same dungeon.

And that tool, which Blizzard replaced several years ago, is still much better than the LFG tool SWTOR has currently. SWTOR's one doesn't have room to type in the name of some flashpoints, much less more than one. You can't easily search for people looking for groups for the same things you are. And to make it worse, the LFG comment clears out whenever you go from fleet to ship to planet anyway. So you see some guy is looking for group - you don't know if he's looking for a flashpoint or heroic or what.

So fine, if you don't want a cross-server LFG tool, then come up with your own suggestion instead of just saying "I don't want anything WoW had!" Because whether you want to admit it or not - there is a problem. It is very hard for some people to find groups for flashpoints, whether you're at level 20 or level 50. Server population is a big part of it - but if you think Bioware is really going to merge servers anytime in the near future, then you may be dissapointed.

So for those of you who are against cross-server LFG, tell me what's your solution? Do you have a better idea than spamming the chat channel in Fleet? Do you think the existing LFG tool works fine, or just needs some tweaks? (Not having it clear out comments would be a great start). I'm not necessarily in love with the idea of cross-server LFG, but I do want to do flashpoints...

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Gavin_Darkl
04.02.2012 , 06:37 PM | #972
Quote: Originally Posted by amantheil View Post
Yeah, I get it.

Look, I'll admit the WoW LFG tool isn't perfect (and it is important to keep in mind that Blizzard implemented a different loot system for 5-man dungeons than they did for raids). Even the system WoW had BEFORE LFG is better than what SWTOR has now. On the 'old', single-server LFD tool you opened a window and pulled up a list of dungeons in your level range, and you could then add your name as someone looking for a group for that dungeon. It didn't automatically form groups, and it didn't automatically port you to the location. It didn't have any fancy loot rules. But from anywhere in the world, you could open up a window and see if anyone else was looking for a group for the same dungeon.

And that tool is still much better than the LFG tool SWTOR has. SWTOR's one doesn't have room to type in the name of some flashpoints, you can't easily search for people looking for groups for the same things you are, and the LFG comment clears out whenever you go from fleet to ship to planet anyway.

So fine, if you don't want a cross-server LFG tool, then come up with your own suggestion instead of just saying "I don't want anything WoW had!" Because whether you want to admit it or not - there is a problem. It is very hard for some people to find groups for flashpoints, whether you're at level 20 or level 50. Server population is a big part of it - but if you think Bioware is really going to merge servers anytime in the near future, then you may be dissapointed.

So for those of you who are against cross-server LFG, tell me what's your solution? Do you have a better idea than spamming the chat channel in Fleet? Do you think the existing LFG tool works fine, or just needs some tweaks? (Not having it clear out comments would be a great start). I'm not necessarily in love with the idea of cross-server LFG, but I do want to do flashpoints...
Simple Hard Mode instances should not be Cross server
Leveling instances no problem if they are cross server if and only if servers are merged, AND the first 15 Minutes in Queue it looks for same server then after it goes cross server.

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ryathal
04.02.2012 , 06:45 PM | #973
Quote: Originally Posted by amantheil View Post
Yeah, I get it.

Look, I'll admit the WoW LFG tool isn't perfect (and it is important to keep in mind that Blizzard implemented a different loot system for 5-man dungeons than they did for raids). Even the system WoW had BEFORE LFG is better than what SWTOR has now. On the 'old', single-server LFD tool you opened a window and pulled up a list of dungeons in your level range, and you could then add your name as someone looking for a group for that dungeon. It didn't automatically form groups, and it didn't automatically port you to the location. It didn't have any fancy loot rules. But from anywhere in the world, you could open up a window and see if anyone else was looking for a group for the same dungeon.

And that tool, which Blizzard replaced several years ago, is still much better than the LFG tool SWTOR has currently. SWTOR's one doesn't have room to type in the name of some flashpoints, much less more than one. You can't easily search for people looking for groups for the same things you are. And to make it worse, the LFG comment clears out whenever you go from fleet to ship to planet anyway. So you see some guy is looking for group - you don't know if he's looking for a flashpoint or heroic or what.

So fine, if you don't want a cross-server LFG tool, then come up with your own suggestion instead of just saying "I don't want anything WoW had!" Because whether you want to admit it or not - there is a problem. It is very hard for some people to find groups for flashpoints, whether you're at level 20 or level 50. Server population is a big part of it - but if you think Bioware is really going to merge servers anytime in the near future, then you may be dissapointed.

So for those of you who are against cross-server LFG, tell me what's your solution? Do you have a better idea than spamming the chat channel in Fleet? Do you think the existing LFG tool works fine, or just needs some tweaks? (Not having it clear out comments would be a great start). I'm not necessarily in love with the idea of cross-server LFG, but I do want to do flashpoints...
actually wow had a single server LFG that auto grouped for a most of TBC and part of LK, but it didn't teleport you, it sucked many groups never got to the dungeon before someone left

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thornka
04.02.2012 , 07:00 PM | #974
I can't do any flashpoints on my server because everyone on the fleet is 50 and just queueing up for warzones and everyone on the planet is not interested or quiet and my guild is all level 50.
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DjVybz
04.02.2012 , 07:20 PM | #975
I resubbed to see if anything changed. I have for the last weeks been looking for a esseles group and out of 100-125 ppl on w/e our main place is called do not get one whisper for weeks.

I get bored and log off.

I have unsubbed again, sadly I do not think I will be back to see whats new again. 7 years develpoment and 3 months released is more then enough time to have a lfg on standby for 1.2

Sadly this is something in the future. I waited long enough and will not waste another penny here =/
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Esproc
04.02.2012 , 07:21 PM | #976
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
if a player does not win a item, they will get gold. Not nothing. And this is the same system TOR now uses in Operations? Does it suck as well?
I actually read it and they do say "Nothing".

SWTOR is SWTOR, don't make it a clone of a game that people have left to come here, or just go play that other game that has the features you claim are Needed, Fundamental, and Necessary.
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Esproc
04.02.2012 , 07:23 PM | #977
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Totally revamping it? You are wrong. What they are doing is changing how the roll system works, which by the way is somewhat like how it works in TOR's Operations. That is, the player does not choose greed or need, but the computer decides what you win and you get the reward automatically. They needed to change the roll system. I think it is a good change. But the LFR tool is actaully being expanded to include all 3 new raids in MOP.
Three new raids, since how long? And when was that coming out again?

I like that SWTOR has a better track record than that so far.
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Esproc
04.02.2012 , 07:28 PM | #978
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
It's on par or better than the ones I've seen in tor...

it's a hell of a lot better than some of the ones I ran into in RIFT.
I have to say, nope. I've had no problems with the people on two servers and find them helpful and some very merrily chatting away.

Not so with that other game.
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Esproc
04.02.2012 , 07:31 PM | #979
Quote: Originally Posted by ztee View Post
This really is a non issue. Create a tool that allows you to select queue for same server players only.

Problem fixed, you get your community and people (from the most valid arguments) have some accountability for their actions. People who check this option might have a slightly longer wait time, but hey - its their choice.

Myself on the other hand, had very little issues with the WoW LFG and later LFR - it was a VERY small percentage of runs that i encountered someone looking to grief. Most people shared a comon goal and wanted to get the content done in a quick and painless manner.

Guess what, i even made some same server friends through this method!

At the end of the day, my time is important. I do not want to wait for an hour as a DPS class to find a run on my of my alts - spamming a chat channel is just silly. As a paying consumer i was instant gratification (or atleast line up in a queue for it).

A tool for x server LFG will bring life back to the game for me, it will allow me to play some alts (which even the legacy system does not really entice me to do) without worrying about finding a group when im DPS specd (ive had my fill of tanking TY).

Its a s simple question of - "Do we want to retain customers?"

And guess what, if things like this do not get implemented - im not sure how much more of my time will be spent playing the game.

There is no animosity in my post, im simply stating how i feel about the matter. We all have our opinion, but i have a hunch that being a very casual centric game a lot of players feel the same. Do the right thing BW - make this thing cross server or you will potentially be sorry ....
Then please join those new friends on their server as you will not be part of the local community so much as ....., and with your new friends you can que to your hearts content with them, on that other server.
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Esproc
04.02.2012 , 07:34 PM | #980
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Lol! *shakes his head. Well the only cases I can think of to support your argument would be things which are immoral or illegal. But that is not what has happended has it?
Immorality is running rampant with the "I'm not accountable because no one can do any thing" attitude that a X-Server LFG brings with it.
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