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Harukaze
04.01.2012 , 01:19 AM | #1
Okay, so, I play a female Trooper. Currently Major, level 40. My affection with Jorgan is nearly maxed out - mostly because it's not hard finding weapon gifts. Before today, I had stopped advancing his story back around when I hit Captain, because I'm not interested in a romance with him. He's a subordinate officer and that just doesn't appeal to me, period. When I roll a male Vanguard eventually, he won't be dating Dorne, either.

I realized that I could accept his gift, without beating the poor guy into the ground, but more importantly *without flirting*. I have never once flirted with Jorgan. I *thought* that by skipping all the options, I could bypass the romance thread and just stick to the Deadeyes story like the guys would get.

Turns out, I'm wrong. Several missions later, there appears to be no way to avoid getting kissed... and as far as I've seen, no way to discourage him in the slightest. Why? When I've not flirted once, these shouldn't be my options.

I would like to finish out the Deadeye storyline, and want to have a "completed" Jorgan come legacy in 1.2. Is there any way to stop this romance from happening and still complete the story? Or am I stuck railroaded into an undesirable relationship?

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Prisoner
04.01.2012 , 09:08 AM | #2
I don't think at this point you can. If you don't want to do the romance, you'll have to stop talking to him.

Although I have to boggle that you took the necklace he had made especially for the Trooper and figured it wasn't going to further the romance. I mean, sure it wasn't marked as a [flirt], but it's the intimate kind of gift that clearly signals he's romantically interested, so I'm not shocked at all that the romance was triggered by it.

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Sotaudi
04.02.2012 , 01:37 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Harukaze View Post
Okay, so, I play a female Trooper. Currently Major, level 40. My affection with Jorgan is nearly maxed out - mostly because it's not hard finding weapon gifts. Before today, I had stopped advancing his story back around when I hit Captain, because I'm not interested in a romance with him. He's a subordinate officer and that just doesn't appeal to me, period. When I roll a male Vanguard eventually, he won't be dating Dorne, either.

I realized that I could accept his gift, without beating the poor guy into the ground, but more importantly *without flirting*. I have never once flirted with Jorgan. I *thought* that by skipping all the options, I could bypass the romance thread and just stick to the Deadeyes story like the guys would get.

Turns out, I'm wrong. Several missions later, there appears to be no way to avoid getting kissed... and as far as I've seen, no way to discourage him in the slightest. Why? When I've not flirted once, these shouldn't be my options.

I would like to finish out the Deadeye storyline, and want to have a "completed" Jorgan come legacy in 1.2. Is there any way to stop this romance from happening and still complete the story? Or am I stuck railroaded into an undesirable relationship?
For my Commando, I walked a vary careful path of always selecting the supportive but professional answer for Elara. She is now at max affection, and I don't recall getting into a situation where I had to do a flat, cold turn down of any romantic suggestions with her.

On my Shadow, with Nadia. one of the conversations seemed to be leading down a "romance" path, but the question she asked was not particularly overt. The answer I chose was something to the effect of "That is not appropriate" for a master and student. It seemed to be a bit too soon considering she had not really said anything that suggestive yet, but it was the honorable answer without being cold and rejecting her as undesirable in another circumstance. However, it did seem to shut down any additional romance related dialogs from then on.

But I agree with you in general. There seems to be a point where you get locked into a direction you don't want to go and there is nothing you can do about it. This is even true of some of the non-companion dialogs. I am happily married, and I am not interested in pursuing any pretend romances in any game. I am especially not interested in any one-night stands, cyber or otherwise. Yet with Jaxo, in the quest you get to meet her at her apartment, I got put in just such a situation. And when the dialog just started suggesting a romance, I was given a choice that would obviously pursue the suggestion and another that would turn her down rather coldly. I neither wanted to pursue a romance nor did I want to be mean about rejecting her, so I chose what I hoped would be a more neutral option that would either suggest I was not taking the "hint," or would open a less cold rejection. But, no. When I took the more neutral option, I ended up getting a 50s style fade-to-black and a one-night stand I did not want. The same thing happened with the girl on the Hutt barge in the Smuggler's story: obvious pursuit of the relationship, cold rejection, or a more neutral option that ends up in a one-night stand anyway.

It seems like they are assuming everyone wants to pursue a romance or one night stand and that, if you don't, you would naturally just be cruel and cold in turning it down. That is not good for role playing.
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Harukaze
04.02.2012 , 07:57 PM | #4
I fully concur. In order to reject the necklace, I would have had to be a real ***** to Jorgan, and that's now how I saw their relationship. They grew close, to be sure, but it felt to *me* that Jorgan was becoming big brother to my Trooper - yes, he was the big brother in my mind despite my Trooper being in command; he'd been around in the military a lot longer and thus had some wisdom to share. It seemed completely reasonable to me that I could turn aside his advances without spitting on him. That's just not the case, and it makes me sad. Bioware should have much better storytelling than this. They're known for it, so why did they simply not think some of these things through?

I think most people could tell stories of a time they fell for somebody who did not return their feelings. And most of those people were probably gentle out it, I'd hope. Apparently Bioware can't imagine such a middle ground. *shakes his head* Ah well. Maybe I'll be lucky and the scene *following* the unwanted kiss will let me break it off. It'll suck, but it's better than letting the relationship stand.

EDIT: Nope. No, it escalates, without any choice in the matter. What in the damned hell, Bioware?

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ounkeo
04.02.2012 , 08:19 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Sotaudi View Post
For my Commando, I walked a vary careful path of always selecting the supportive but professional answer for Elara. She is now at max affection, and I don't recall getting into a situation where I had to do a flat, cold turn down of any romantic suggestions with her.

On my Shadow, with Nadia. one of the conversations seemed to be leading down a "romance" path, but the question she asked was not particularly overt. The answer I chose was something to the effect of "That is not appropriate" for a master and student. It seemed to be a bit too soon considering she had not really said anything that suggestive yet, but it was the honorable answer without being cold and rejecting her as undesirable in another circumstance. However, it did seem to shut down any additional romance related dialogs from then on.

But I agree with you in general. There seems to be a point where you get locked into a direction you don't want to go and there is nothing you can do about it. This is even true of some of the non-companion dialogs. I am happily married, and I am not interested in pursuing any pretend romances in any game. I am especially not interested in any one-night stands, cyber or otherwise. Yet with Jaxo, in the quest you get to meet her at her apartment, I got put in just such a situation. And when the dialog just started suggesting a romance, I was given a choice that would obviously pursue the suggestion and another that would turn her down rather coldly. I neither wanted to pursue a romance nor did I want to be mean about rejecting her, so I chose what I hoped would be a more neutral option that would either suggest I was not taking the "hint," or would open a less cold rejection. But, no. When I took the more neutral option, I ended up getting a 50s style fade-to-black and a one-night stand I did not want. The same thing happened with the girl on the Hutt barge in the Smuggler's story: obvious pursuit of the relationship, cold rejection, or a more neutral option that ends up in a one-night stand anyway.

It seems like they are assuming everyone wants to pursue a romance or one night stand and that, if you don't, you would naturally just be cruel and cold in turning it down. That is not good for role playing.
you know what is maddening is the way you're railroaded by BW into these situations even against yor chosen responses (or not given the option) while they completely exclude female to female romance. It reeks of a developer dictating what can or cannot constitute a proper romance. If they can force an unwanted romance on us because they assume that's what we want, then they should be able to easily allow a female/female or heck, even male/male relationship.

My female toons are sick of getting hit on by the guys on my ship. Even on my bounty hunter, i get these creepy come-ons from out of nowhere from guys who have like 10 affection when my female companion is maxed out affection (with not even a flirt option).

Check out this completely unwanted dialogue:

Torian: You know... I've been watching you in action for a while now. And what a nice sight it is.

what... the... f....

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Harukaze
04.02.2012 , 10:22 PM | #6
And yet, you don't get to kill him for it. No matter how evil you are, or cold-blooded or ruthless, you don't get to kill him. {Worse, you don't get to kill Gault, which bothers me.}

They claim there will be a "story" expansion or patch or whatever, later this year. I have no idea what they mean by that, other than that it adds same-sex relationships. It really makes me wonder if they're adding voice acting for choices they've thus far denied us... but if so, it means a whole hell of a lot of us got railroaded with our characters, while newer ones get to have the story they wanted. I *hope* that won't be the case.

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celticcow
04.03.2012 , 07:23 AM | #7
I'm playing a male trooper so I have not had to deal with this exact problem, but I'm thinking that in real life this works so try it in game. Get a water spray bottle and every time he does something you don't like spray him in the face with water. It works on RL cats so I'm thinking it should work on him too.

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CutlassJack
04.03.2012 , 07:58 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ounkeo View Post
My female toons are sick of getting hit on by the guys on my ship. Even on my bounty hunter, i get these creepy come-ons from out of nowhere from guys who have like 10 affection when my female companion is maxed out affection (with not even a flirt option).

Check out this completely unwanted dialogue:

Torian: You know... I've been watching you in action for a while now. And what a nice sight it is.

what... the... f....
Yet somehow I suspect your male characters hit almost every [Flirt] option you see in game with random girls you just met.

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Erevan_Kindelar
04.03.2012 , 08:05 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by celticcow View Post
I'm playing a male trooper so I have not had to deal with this exact problem, but I'm thinking that in real life this works so try it in game. Get a water spray bottle and every time he does something you don't like spray him in the face with water. It works on RL cats so I'm thinking it should work on him too.
Lol, I like this... only problem is that my cat is stupid so I end up doing the face-spraying 3 or 4 times a week
But as with a lot of RL relationships, if you do not nip it in the bud early (I think the cold-hearted ***** dialog on the necklace is probably the last "no thanks, affection but no romance" option you get), then later down the line you end up hurting the other person more than if you had said something earlier.

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Sotaudi
04.03.2012 , 05:06 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by ounkeo View Post
you know what is maddening is the way you're railroaded by BW into these situations even against yor chosen responses (or not given the option) while they completely exclude female to female romance. It reeks of a developer dictating what can or cannot constitute a proper romance. If they can force an unwanted romance on us because they assume that's what we want, then they should be able to easily allow a female/female or heck, even male/male relationship.

My female toons are sick of getting hit on by the guys on my ship. Even on my bounty hunter, i get these creepy come-ons from out of nowhere from guys who have like 10 affection when my female companion is maxed out affection (with not even a flirt option).

Check out this completely unwanted dialogue:

Torian: You know... I've been watching you in action for a while now. And what a nice sight it is.

what... the... f....
Whether or not they open same sex relationships is a completely different issue and does not remotely address the problem you describe. Why does it matter why you don't want to pursue a romance with someone? Likewise, how exactly does opening up additional avenues of unwanted advances (that might get me stuck in a romance I don't want) solve the problem that I don't want to be involved in any pretend romances, let alone one-night stands, but cannot always avoid them? Just because I don't want my male character to get involved in a fake relationship with a female character does not mean that I want to now have to avoid getting involved in a fake relationship with another male.

In other words, the problem is that the dialog options don't give you the choice to shut down a dialog path without being a complete jerk about it, not that there are not enough people to be jerks to.
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