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Lightning Rotations?


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Carjitsu
03.31.2012 , 11:55 AM | #11
Is very nice to see a fellow MMO vet that can handle a dissagreement. I was beggining to think Daellia was the only one. +1 to you sir.

Btw : alacrity would be MOST usefull to a light sorc, but according to Daellia's sims is still last on the priority list of relevent stats for all sorc specs.
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Daellia
03.31.2012 , 07:21 PM | #12
Ok, first off, MaxDPS's theorycrafting was about as reliable as the ravings of that drunk lunatic you ran into at the mall the other night. They took so many shortcuts and made so many assumptions that you'd be lucky if you landed on the right class, much less a proper stat weight setup.

Second, while haste was a potent stat for Elemental shaman, they gained a couple major benefits from it that we don't in SWTOR. First, it affected their Flame Shock, which in turn affected their Lava Burst proc rate (which also didn't have an ICD, unlike Lightning Storm). Second, they didn't have inherent DR built into haste. Third, they had a fairly significant number of baseline and buff-based haste effects to amplify to value of the stat.

Sorcs lack all of these. As noted above, alacrity is indeed better for lightning than it is other specs, but it's still not a good stat overall.

Then again, you also have to realize that the only stat Alacrity is really competing with is Surge. Due to the way modifications are set up, you can't really directly trade Alacrity for Power, Crit, or Willpower. Surge is significantly more powerful than Alacrity at base, but tapers of ridiculously rapidly somewhere around 200-250 rating. At that point, Alacrity starts becoming a desirable stat, not because it's powerful on it's own (usually having a dps benefit of roughly a third that of Power or Crit), but because it's more powerful than Surge at that point.

This is why stat priority lists ultimately break down. It's much better to instead specify balance points, points where the relative dps value of the two competing stats (Power vs. Crit, Alacrity vs. Surge) are equal, which by optimization theory is the point of maximum possible output from the system. I'm actually (sporadically) working on a module for SimC that would calculate these specific points, but it's going slowly due to RL commitments.
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HOUSEoPAIN
04.01.2012 , 12:16 PM | #13
This is exactly what I was hoping for, a discussion among non-newbs for a newb's benefit thanks guys, I have an idea of what I want to do.

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Darkzided
04.02.2012 , 04:12 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Molrune View Post
I had no problem with it, finished my story line at 46, and pvp'd until 50.
you have no idea how easy it is with death field, force lightning spam and chain lightning and force storm when ur lvl 40+

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VainEldritch
04.02.2012 , 05:48 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkzided View Post
you have no idea how easy it is with death field, force lightning spam and chain lightning and force storm when ur lvl 40+
I would have to agree with this.

Enamoured as I am by the notion of a pure lightning Sorc', it is FAR easier to level as hybrid. And that's a problem: while lightning may be a viable leveling build, for ease it pales beside hybrid and that's just not good design.
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cocotazon
02.06.2013 , 02:12 AM | #16
hi all:
I do same here. I am level 17, just started to play couple of weeks ago, dont have a clue how to do rotations the right way. Anybody can assist me? On my talent tree so far i have 4 points I think it is under lightning. Please, need some advise to improve my char. I need to spread the points under the other trees or not? i would like to do dps bad, dont care that much about healing..
thanks
jo

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cocotazon
02.06.2013 , 02:22 AM | #17
hi:
abilities.. i see so far that on most items have willpower and endurance.. those are the main abilities? what kind of mods I should buy for my gear? I am sorcerer lightning.
thanks

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cocotazon
02.10.2013 , 03:42 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Molrune View Post
You want to start out with your Affliction dot so you can get your proc chance going. Then lightning until all your stacks are up. Crushing Darkness after that. Chain light when storm is active, Force lightning when barrage proc. Not sure what level you train the different skills anymore, I pretty much level'd over a weekend. Then....Slept a lot.. Go with Force>Aclarity>crit>surge and you'll do fine.
hi:
when i know when the storm is ready?

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Headroller
02.10.2013 , 02:32 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Molrune View Post
That's ok. Didn't take it personal. Just doing the same. I dunno what max dps says. Ele was my main, so it's more experience, and Elitistjerks.com studying theory craft on it. It might be just because I played Ele for so many years that the Aclarity seems like the same playstyle. I dunno. Your right though, fun > right. I love the 0.6 sec lightning spammage! lol
The reason it's Crit > Ala is because your below the 1 second global cooldown if you were infact just spamming .6 second lightning bolts your sitting there waiting for almost a full half a second for your global cooldown. Which is in fact a DPS loss....

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Quantemoq
02.10.2013 , 02:37 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Headroller View Post
The reason it's Crit > Ala is because your below the 1 second global cooldown if you were infact just spamming .6 second lightning bolts your sitting there waiting for almost a full half a second for your global cooldown. Which is in fact a DPS loss....
how can you trade alacritiy for crit ? because all enhancements have either surge/accuracy or alacrity ?