Pvp imbalence from the perspective of a Sin.

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Pvp imbalence from the perspective of a Sin.

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goz_-

04.01.2012 , 07:48 AM \| #51	Quote
Since you are obviously not done send me please a PM where you defend operatives or not demand a buff for inf-shadows. I'm really curious now because I can't find one except the utility one you answered to my post recently.
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Sinemetu

04.01.2012 , 08:00 AM \| #52	Quote
@HyperThomas: Quote: The damage it absorbs doesn't matter (it varies anyway, + no concrete evidence), the fact that the defensive CDs are much, much shorter than a Shadow infiltration, is enough to prove my point. Baloney. It absorbs about 2k. You can look at the healing coefficient and modifier to find this, and it doesn't vary at all. 7085 * .13 + healingpower * 2.59. There's no mystery here and 2k is significantly worse than 3k. If you're facing an operative that can heal for 5k during a 4s stun, then he has points in healing. Since you refuse to compare the dps operative to a hybrid shadow, I don't think comparing the dps shadow to a hybrid operative is remotely relevant.
Legion: Geth do not infiltrate. C-Sec Customs: You should leave your personal synthetic assistant at home. They're not allowed on shuttles anymore. Legion: Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

petsa

04.01.2012 , 08:04 AM \| #53	Quote
so operatives are more effective than sins?

Squatdog_nz

04.01.2012 , 02:42 PM \| #54	Quote
[QUOTE=HyperThomas;3707740]1) Once again your reading skills are proven to be awful. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFILTRATION SHADOW HERE, THE BURST SPEC. OPERATIVES HAVE BETTER BURST THAN THE BURST FROM INFILTRATION. BURST IS INFILTRATIONS ROLE. Burst from stealth ISN'T Infiltration's role and Infiltration has FAR higher sustained DPS than any Operative spec AND far more burst outside of stealth. Quote: 2) Unless you can prove the bubble absorbs nowhere near 3k damage then you have no idea what you are talking about. Cooldown is still way faster, I like how you are avoiding this point. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA!!!! Once again, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. Go post this on the Operative forum so people can laugh at you. Quote: 3) Operatives can heal in combat, shadows cannot, ALSO INFILTRATION SHADOW DOES NOT HAVE INSTANT PROCCING HEALS, LEARN TO READ, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFILTRATION SHADOWS. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Except they can cross spec into Madness and proc insta-heals. Quote: The operative heal is viable in combat situations, whenever I face a dps burst operative, I get them down to 3kish, they stun me and can heal like 5k+ health in that period. Didn't happen. Now you are just making things up. Quote: They can also then cloak run around an object to heal up, WHILE STILL IN COMBAT. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT OPERATIVE. Shadow infiltration can only heal out of combat, cloak rarely breaks combat, especially with dots/other duration effects. Operatives can cloak while in combat now? LOL! Or do you mean the vanish that they share with Assassins, who can ALSO heal outside of combat with Seethe? Quote: 4) 30% armor bonus hahahah, this by far is the most ridiculous thing you have said so far. It is 30% armor rating bonus, which is like 2% extra reduction? Lol, so funny. So it IS a less than 10% difference, like I said? Quote: 5) My other points too good to retort? HAH! As expected. What other points?

MrXen

04.01.2012 , 02:51 PM \| #55	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Prevenge There is a reason that people are so upset about the assassin class not receiving any nerfs. Posts like this will just make people even more upset. Sin's will be great in 1.2, but look how many cry posts there are already. You will be getting nerfed, before you receive anything that even looks remotely like a buff. The poster is talking about a non-tank spec, meaning you are a moron for thinking a nerf is needed. Tank assassin isn't that overpowered at all, and is the ONLY worth-while spec for assassins, hence all the users of it. The reason everyone is crying about tank-assassins now is because they cried about deception damage being "OP" and caused a massive destruction to the other two trees while BW thought "hey give them something in return and buff the tank tree" so they did. And here we sit. I don't want to have to play tank assassin to not be worthless, and its annoying when playing this spec (to actually try and be helpful to your team) that people claim its "overpowered" because its actually a threat now. The only thing that could be >COULD BE< done to "tone down" tank assassin is reduce all the healing available >SLIGHTLY< and it would be perfectly in balance.

MrXen

04.01.2012 , 02:56 PM \| #56	Quote
[QUOTE=Squatdog_nz;3712676] Quote: Originally Posted by HyperThomas 1) Once again your reading skills are proven to be awful. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFILTRATION SHADOW HERE, THE BURST SPEC. OPERATIVES HAVE BETTER BURST THAN THE BURST FROM INFILTRATION. BURST IS INFILTRATIONS ROLE. Burst from stealth ISN'T Infiltration's role and Infiltration has FAR higher sustained DPS than any Operative spec AND far more burst outside of stealth. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA!!!! Once again, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. Go post this on the Operative forum so people can laugh at you. Except they can cross spec into Madness and proc insta-heals. Didn't happen. Now you are just making things up. Operatives can cloak while in combat now? LOL! Or do you mean the vanish that they share with Assassins, who can ALSO heal outside of combat with Seethe? So it IS a less than 10% difference, like I said? What other points? Ignoring your lack of complete thoughts (e.g. sentences) and your caps-lock cruise control, I'll bite. No deception assassin wanting to keep the mediocre DPS its capable of (in trade of laughable dps) will give up 15+ points in the deception tree to spec into madness in order to get a 2% hp heal that "procs" as you claim off of a 6 second cooldown ability that hits like a pillow. In fact everything you said makes near zero sense in terms of logic and/or common sense, and I'd be honestly surprised if ANYTHING of what you said was actually even partially true.

Squatdog_nz

04.01.2012 , 03:16 PM \| #57	Quote
[QUOTE=MrXen;3712802] Quote: Originally Posted by Squatdog_nz Ignoring your lack of complete thoughts (e.g. sentences) and your caps-lock cruise control, I'll bite. No deception assassin wanting to keep the mediocre DPS its capable of (in trade of laughable dps) will give up 15+ points in the deception tree to spec into madness in order to get a 2% hp heal that "procs" as you claim off of a 6 second cooldown ability that hits like a pillow. In fact everything you said makes near zero sense in terms of logic and/or common sense, and I'd be honestly surprised if ANYTHING of what you said was actually even partially true. Everything I have stated is 100% correct. Tell me again how a sub-2k bubble is better mitigation that 12 seconds of 50% Dodge. LOL!

HyperThomas

04.01.2012 , 04:24 PM \| #58	Quote
[QUOTE=Squatdog_nz;3712676] Quote: Originally Posted by HyperThomas 1) Once again your reading skills are proven to be awful. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFILTRATION SHADOW HERE, THE BURST SPEC. OPERATIVES HAVE BETTER BURST THAN THE BURST FROM INFILTRATION. BURST IS INFILTRATIONS ROLE. Burst from stealth ISN'T Infiltration's role and Infiltration has FAR higher sustained DPS than any Operative spec AND far more burst outside of stealth. Yeah it is, infiltrations role is burst from stealth, you have no idea what you are talking about BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA!!!! Once again, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. Go post this on the Operative forum so people can laugh at you. Even if it only absorbs 2k damage, i feel it would be far better than an ability that makes me dodge 50% of the time, which is on a far longer cooldown. Though that's a matter of opinion. Except they can cross spec into Madness and proc insta-heals. When they do this they lose their burst potential (gotta waste like 20 points just to get up to the healing procs), there is only one spec to be bursty. Once again, no idea what you are talking about. Didn't happen. Now you are just making things up. Yeah it did happen. Not making things up, maybe the heals were a little off the mark, I will say around the 5k mark. Operatives can cloak while in combat now? LOL! Or do you mean the vanish that they share with Assassins, who can ALSO heal outside of combat with Seethe? Like I said, operatives can heal while still in combat, inf shadows cannot. Try to read what I have said, in combat heals are far better than out of combat heals. So it IS a less than 10% difference, like I said? Only if you spec into it, and not many infiltrations do. (2% is a waste of 2 points) Operatives have 8-10% better damage reduction than a inf shadow. Thanks for continuing to support my point. What other points? 5th point page 4 no retort. All of your points are totally flawed, not only are you making stuff up about the shadow, you have no idea what spec you are talking about, you have no idea about the abilities, and you clearly have no idea about the difference between in combat healing and out of combat healing. Simple fact is, you have been posting absolute rubbish about the infiltration shadow, next to nothing you have said is true. I have said operative can use a utility buff... happy? I am calling for nerfs for MY OWN CLASS (KC Tree), never saw you do that. Stop posting, you have lost all credibility.
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AMKSED

04.01.2012 , 04:25 PM \| #59	Quote
I find it funny that people are comparing Operative to the hybrid Shadow/Assassin. When it should be compared to Infiltration and when it comes down to that Operative wins, hands down.

HyperThomas

04.01.2012 , 04:28 PM \| #60	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by AMKSED I find it funny that people are comparing Operative to the hybrid Shadow/Assassin. When it should be compared to Infiltration and when it comes down to that Operative wins, hands down. Thankyou! lol This person clearly has no idea about the difference between the 2 specs.
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