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ARENAS/Death match....NOW

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WNxAbaddon
03.30.2012 , 08:13 PM | #121
I played Arenas in WoW 2v2.

Now the only problem I see is that Bioware will start balancing pvp based on the arena matches, you will see a million topics like. Me and my team mates cant beat X class QQ nurf them or buff my class now !!! just like on WoW

Team pvp is more skilled then areas, in areas the class with the most imbalance will win most, just like wow. if they fix class balance ( something they can never do ) then areas will be a good idea. But sadly there to many children QQ about X class or Y ability to have any real balance in this game.

In 8 man teams you can counter the most OP classes with good team work but in arenas you will see the most OP class winning.
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Varicite
03.30.2012 , 08:21 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by WNxAbaddon View Post
I played Arenas in WoW 2v2.

Now the only problem I see is that Bioware will start balancing pvp based on the arena matches, you will see a million topics like. Me and my team mates cant beat X class QQ nurf them or buff my class now !!! just like on WoW

Team pvp is more skilled then areas, in areas the class with the most imbalance will win most, just like wow. if they fix class balance ( something they can never do ) then areas will be a good idea. But sadly there to many children QQ about X class or Y ability to have any real balance in this game.

In 8 man teams you can counter the most OP classes with good team work but in arenas you will see the most OP class winning.
That's not really what we're asking for in this particular thread, though.

We were talking about 4v4, which is a bit better balanced than WoW's 2v2 affairs (I used to play back then too).

The balancing issues were why we were requesting that there be no rewards, titles, etc, just a queue.

Basically exactly like the old Arena Skirmish (the unrated practice matches) system, not the actual Arena. I'm honestly afraid of them instating a ratings-based Arena at this point in time, but skirmishes would be fine.
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KhealThar
03.30.2012 , 08:24 PM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by dschlan View Post
Arenas - kill this guy...kill him now...kill him now. game over

Objectives at least involve more strategy. And they incorporate the "hard" parts of arenas, such as coordinating CCs and good positioning.
rofl I love people who think arena is just zerg one guy then the next, shows who the 1500 heroes are.

Anyone who thinks arena style combat doesn't bring more competition and player skill to the game than objective based pvp does, then I don't know what to tell you.

Random warzones are currently not competitive at all lol
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LillyWhiteS
03.30.2012 , 08:25 PM | #124
NO WAY....

BW needs to concentrate on big scale PvP, forts to capture and that type of stuff, PvP that will keep you interested for hours with multiple warbands/ops working together to achieve objectives and create a great community like Warhammer did on my server Ironclaw.

That way warzones will settle into the right role, secondary and for variety and not be the main PvP, it's the fact we currently have to play them more than they should be, due to no working world PvP, that they have become too repetitive...

The main thing from WoW I would like is an Alterac Valley type Warzone, bigger map, participant size and objective type, to add more variety to warzones and get away from just 8 v 8 and to tide people over until World PvP/PvP lake is fixed.
Need a Variety of Warzone size/participants/objectives, something like an Alterac Valley.

Warhammer may have messed it up, but the idea of forts and the reward was sound, fix Ilum.

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KhealThar
03.30.2012 , 08:28 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by LillyWhiteS View Post
NO WAY....

BW needs to concentrate on big scale PvP, forts to capture and that type of stuff, PvP that will keep you interested for hours with multiple warbands/ops working together to achieve objectives and create a great community like Warhammer did on my server Ironclaw.

That way warzones will settle into the right role, secondary and for variety and not be the main PvP, it's the fact we currently have to play them more than they should be, due to no working world PvP, that they have become too repetitive...

The main thing from WoW I would like is an Alterac Valley type Warzone, bigger map, participant size and objective type, to add more variety to warzones and get away from just 8 v 8 and to tide people over until World PvP/PvP lake is fixed.
Arena would create a huge community that isn't strictly server based. Arenajunkies.com is an example, a huge arena community from World of Warcraft.

They can have arena while also having large scale pvp battles you know. They can balance the game around Arena for the more competitive people and have huge fun battles for the guys who just want to work as a huge team to beat another.

The game could be completely unbalanced in 3v3/4v4 and you wouldn't even notice it in 100v100.

Arena would have little to no effect on world pvp.
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WNxAbaddon
03.30.2012 , 08:29 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
That's not really what we're asking for in this particular thread, though.

We were talking about 4v4, which is a bit better balanced than WoW's 2v2 affairs (I used to play back then too).

The balancing issues were why we were requesting that there be no rewards, titles, etc, just a queue.

Basically exactly like the old Arena Skirmish system, not the actual Arena. I'm honestly afraid of them instating a ratings-based Arena at this point in time, but skirmishes would be fine.

I get why people want it, Yes it would be cool I agree. But you know the amount of QQ that will happen, even with there no rewords valor ect, people dont like there e-peen being damaged I mean why not have duals were you can challenge 4 people if you have 4 people in a party or 2 people you get the idea.

Really am ok with them changing the duals like this.

Me and 4 mates in a party want to challenge 4 repub in a party to a fight Leader of party A challenges a member of party B then you have a scrap.

If you tell people there will be Areas people will want all the toys as well

Arena gear, Arena rankings and Arena balance its sad coz yeh it would be cool, but you add them in your on a path like WoW, why do you think not many people played Arenas coz of the crappy balance it will be no different in swtor then this forum will be filled with kids QQ about balance and the fact someone bent there e-peen
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vsalcedo
03.30.2012 , 08:30 PM | #127
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Do you intend to just strike poses in this room or actually play? Cause this engine barely supports the number of people in a WZ. Oh nvm... you wold just DM with the same 8 people. Sounds... boring.
Sounds fun...I don't see the big attraction in capture the flag stuff.

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Haeso
03.30.2012 , 08:30 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Swidgin View Post
RTS I agree, but not really the PVP I was talking about...

BUT LOL @ FPS...and u ask if I'm a troll?
Best at what, best at playing a game that is largely considered a joke to anyone that plays professionally? You're one of the people who think being picked up for a few seasons on MLG had something to do with it being a good game not just having a ton of potential viewers aren't you.

Tab target MMOs have almost nil skillcap. The difference between two equally geared players one good and one great is nothing. There's a big difference between scrubs and good players sure, but there's no real differentiating in a tab target MMO at the top beyond team comp and teamwork, the game itself is simple and easy.
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Varicite
03.30.2012 , 08:53 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by LillyWhiteS View Post
NO WAY....

BW needs to concentrate on big scale PvP, forts to capture and that type of stuff, PvP that will keep you interested for hours with multiple warbands/ops working together to achieve objectives and create a great community like Warhammer did on my server Ironclaw.

That way warzones will settle into the right role, secondary and for variety and not be the main PvP, it's the fact we currently have to play them more than they should be, due to no working world PvP, that they have become too repetitive...

The main thing from WoW I would like is an Alterac Valley type Warzone, bigger map, participant size and objective type, to add more variety to warzones and get away from just 8 v 8 and to tide people over until World PvP/PvP lake is fixed.
I'm definitely not opposed to larger-scale PvP battles like you're talking about in your first paragraph, but I don't know that the game engine can handle that. <.<

I'd love to see large-scale world PvP, Warzones, and Thunderdome-style "Two teams enter, one team leaves!" type PvP all coexist happily in this game.

I don't think that's too much to ask for, given enough time. It doesn't have to be right now, but eventually it would be pretty awesome if they found a way to make them all work.

Then we can all be happy doing what we like, right? And people like me will be happy doing a bit of all 3. : )
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Strap your digital dog to your digital roof and take your ideologies, lovely wife, and sweet little 8yr old girl to a PVE server where you fit best.

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Varicite
03.30.2012 , 08:56 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Haeso View Post
Best at what, best at playing a game that is largely considered a joke to anyone that plays professionally? You're one of the people who think being picked up for a few seasons on MLG had something to do with it being a good game not just having a ton of potential viewers aren't you.

Tab target MMOs have almost nil skillcap. The difference between two equally geared players one good and one great is nothing. There's a big difference between scrubs and good players sure, but there's no real differentiating in a tab target MMO at the top beyond team comp and teamwork, the game itself is simple and easy.
What if the tab targeting is really terrible? : D
Quote: Originally Posted by JayPres View Post
Strap your digital dog to your digital roof and take your ideologies, lovely wife, and sweet little 8yr old girl to a PVE server where you fit best.