No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

And what better way to see said content but with people you enjoy hanging out with. Skilled players, cool players. you got to admit you tend to meet a lot of idiots in your travels. Best to record those who aren't for future endeavors.

Easy enough - every Wow server I was on in the 4 years I played the game - went from healing for pick-up groups and knowing all the tanks on the server to only healing for guildies as I was sick to death of the people that acted like jerks cause they knew they would never see anyone in the flashpoint group again <and there were too many with cross-server to get rid of them by listing on ignore.>

But like I said this doesn't effect TOR cause without server wide chat or LFG the community hasn't really formed....

Guild Wars 2?

Or was that a rhetorical question?

Yeah sometimes people do act like jerks but to say EVERYONE is not fair. I used and still use the LFD in WoW and 95% of my runs are smooth and fast. Often with people from my server as well since its give them priority in the grouping process. I very often do know the people i see in the LFD

To the best of my knowledge, GW2 will not have an LFG tool.

Darth,

You have been consistent throughout and I can fully appreciate that. I too enjoy running content with people that I am familiar with and have met in game, it seems to make the experience that much more enjoyable. Unfortunately, right now, the content is sitting idle for me because of the limited tools and leveling bubble that has dissipated on most servers.

At the end of the day, for me, because its a game, if I need to choose between content and friends I guess I would rather be able to enjoy the content in the game vs. worrying about with whom I do the content with. Sadly, it is one or the other in SW right now.

Also at the end of the day, its not our ultimate decision as to what is and what is not included in SW's toolbox for players to use. And if BW decides that they don't ever want a cross server tool for fp's, then it won't have one. But, again, unfortunately, I won't be able to stay subbed either as this severely limits my ability to enjoy the game.

It sounds like you agree that the only reason that you've actually given against cross server lfd was based on a totally false premise.

Actually you did: "the whole point of the game is to make friends and raid or hang out together. the whole cross server groups is a very bad idea."

That's the full post; I quoted it in full. So pointing out that you made an argument against lfd that was totally false isn't taking anything you said out of context.

And dungeons; and battlegrounds; and raids.

... is this supposed to make some sort of point, because it looks like gibberish to me.

[quote]Still does not do anything other than to facilitate chat options and using the X-server feature.

People are asking for a feature from wow. Insisting that wow's implementation isn't relevant even though people are specifically asking for wow's implementation of that feature is absurd.

Why are those statements in quotes... can you actually point out where I said either of those statements?

You made a false statement; your responses to me pointing that out as false have been repeated ad hominem attacks and red herrings, along with a smattering of gibberish. You have yet to actually offer any follow up argument once I pointed out the blatant falseness of your initial argument. THat's being evasive.

No, I don't attack people; I attack arguments. If you offer false arguments I attack them. If you were to offer a valid argument that's actually objective rather than subjective, you wouldn't see me attacking your arguments.

as it is, you've offered a single argument based on a false premise, and then a bunch of fallacious logic (including red herrings, false dilemmas and ad hominem attacks)


No, I never make that assumption.

No... I'm pretty sure it's because you can't think of another valid argument after having your one attempt squashed

No, I'm saying that you're committing a false dilemma fallacy. Your next few statements don't make any sense, since I'm just giving you examples why what you presented was a false dilemma fallacy... It looks like you didn't catch that, so I just wanted to let you know

No, that's not a personal attack; that's a comment about your arguments, not you. You used 3 fallacious arguments. 3 of X items = a hat trick, in case you've never heard the term.

So? I think they're good features. I'll ask for the developers to add what I consider good features, regardless of your opinion.

Yes, it's the catch all thread to discuss cross server lfg; all other cross server lfg threads get closed and redirected to this one. You offered an argument against cross server lfg, and I point out how your argument was based on a false premise so that your conclusion didn't actually logically follow from your premise. So the fact that I'm arguing with the OP isn't jumping in against the topic of the thread... it's directly discussing the topic of the thread.

That's great. While you're standing against it, you should also try coming up with valid, objective fact based arguments against it, instead of just leaving it "Cross server is bad because I think it's bad" and expecting everyone else to just agree that this is a valid argument. And when someone comes along and points out that your argument is bogus because it's based purely on opinion, or has a false premise, or mistakes correlation for causation, or is based on any other logical fallacy... you should work to come up with a new reason

as it is, the general pattern for this thread for the anti-lfd folks is

1. make a bad/false/fallacious argument
2. have someone point out why it's bad
3. derail into ad hominem and red herrings

You realize that cross server anything does not affect your ability to do this right? You can still form a group on your server of people you've met and then run FPs with those people. In fact, it's often faster to grab a couple people before joining the queue just to make it slightly faster.

You can meet a guy running dailies on Belsavis/Ilum and ask him if he wants to run a quick FP later then queue up together. You can run into someone searching for datacrons and add them as a friend to roll with whenever. You can do world bosses and get to know those people you ran it with. You can PuG operations and get to know the people there. You can still spam on imp fleet for someone else to queue up with for HM FPs. There are plenty of avenues to meet people beyond the minor amount of time you spend physically inside the flashpoint.

Most importantly though, while I agree that it would be nice to make new friends in a flashpoint, it is more important to be able to run the flashpoint at all. I pay money to play the game, not to talk to people. Talking is nice, but it's a bonus. The game is what i actually pay for.

Maybe. But GW2 will have some pretty neat features that eliminate the incentive for anti-social behavior while adventuring out in the world... incentives this particular game has in spades.

No, what he said is fact.

you have not given valid reasons.

opinions aren't valid reasons.
subjective arguments aren't valid reasons.
ad hominem attacks aren't valid reasons
other fallacious logic isn't a valid reason

for example: you offered up a fallacious reason, where your conclusion didn't follow from your premise because your premise was false; Since then, you specifically haven't offered anything but opinion, and ad hominem.