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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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Reevax
03.30.2012 , 02:55 AM | #501
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
This really is all your arguments and rants boil down to, "A stranger on the internet was mean to me!".

Honestly it does suck that you've been hurt over losing Loot or a stranger being rude to you, but you shouldn't take that out on the rest of the players who are able to shrug off bad attitudes and enjoy the game.
This is a typical argument for most people like him. HE does not like something so no one else should have it either.

It's up there with the I got mine crowd. I can find a group and time I like so no one else should need a LFD either.

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Aeris_Kane
03.30.2012 , 03:23 AM | #502
Just a positive example for x-server LFG ...

I was playing WoW over a year ago (I don't sub anymore though, just got tired of Blizzard); however, there were many, many, MANY times where I actually had great runs using the LFG tool. Case in point:

I queued myself up for some lower level dungeons (I was on an alt, around the mid-20's level) and I get a queue pop for Scarlet Monastery. The other people in my group were all from different servers and we quickly said our "Hi's" and did the usual, "everyone know what you're doing?" routine. We quickly went over a few things and went to work clearing the trash. There were a couple of instances where we screwed up, wiped once and went back at it again. Briefly talked about the why's and what happened, and finished the dungeon.

After that run and loot roll, the tank asked if we all wanted to run again. Sure, no problem, we worked fairly well together and re-queued. As it happened, we got the next part of Scarlet Monastery ... finished that with great success too. At the end of that run ... "you guys want to do another?" you bet your arse we do.

We ran 5 more dungeons after that one, and only lost the one DPS cause he had to go for RL reasons. Picked up another DPS and continued trucking. That happened moreso than not. Most of the times, unless someone was acting like a real ******, groups worked together well.

Since Blizzard had the Real ID out at that time, I actually added those guys in my party to my friends list. So I would say that "my" community had grown OUTSIDE of the single server I was on.

Quit being narrow minded and recluse. You talk of community, yet you close your mind to the greater community. Should I look up the word "community" for you?

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chaosdefined
03.30.2012 , 03:32 AM | #503
Here's an example of some bad playership that wasn't cross server!

I was levelling up my paladin, queued up for a dungeon and ended up with a healer from the same server. Everything was fine until the final boss is downed and he drops a spell casters shield. I asked "Healer, do you need that or can I take it for OS?".
He didn't reply. We waited for a while but heard nothing from him. So I clicked Need. The second I did he erupts "OMG you ninja!! You're stealing my loot *** you're getting reported!!!".
I apologised, said that I'd asked but he didn't respond and then traded him the shield. But he was still ranting at me for this, and after the group split he then sat in Trade chat for about half an hour calling me a Ninja and warning everyone to never group with me.

So people will still be totally mental and rude to you even when they are on the same server as you.

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navarh
03.30.2012 , 03:55 AM | #504
i'll add some info

someone rude? my care_o_meter show zero value
ninja loot? my care_o_meter show zero value
wipe? my care_o_meter show zero value
no one talk? my care_o_meter show zero value
any scary story from antilfgcrowd about lfg? my care_o_meter still show zero value

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chaosdefined
03.30.2012 , 04:52 AM | #505
Quote: Originally Posted by navarh View Post
i'll add some info

someone rude? my care_o_meter show zero value
ninja loot? my care_o_meter show zero value
wipe? my care_o_meter show zero value
no one talk? my care_o_meter show zero value
any scary story from antilfgcrowd about lfg? my care_o_meter still show zero value
That's the thing, end of the day it's just a game. I'd heard so many horror stories about the new Looking For Raid feature in WoW that I was a bit scared to try it out. But I thought actually who cares if someone need's on the loot I actually need and they don't? It's just a game. So I went in.
What did I experience? The content, which was the sole reason I went into it. I wanted to see what it was like. And I did. I even won a couple of items of gear, which is a bonus.

People are too focused on loot to enjoy the content. Which is funny since they seem to be going on about the LFD crowd wanting easy loot...

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livnthedream
03.30.2012 , 04:52 AM | #506
i personally prefer single server to cross server. it makes it much easier for a particular community to police itself. really it doesnt matter what system is put into place, it will be abused. the only real question is how rampant will it become, and how much damage it will cause. using both wow and rift as examples i have seen far more douchebaggery with cross server than i have in swtor and rift before lfg was added. the difference was pretty night and day.

also, in terms of actual helpfulness of cross server, statistically it only helps the low pop servers versus medium to high, which contrary to popular belief, is in a minority. as much as people want to whine about how low server pop is, according to available evidence its fairly standard across the majority of servers.

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chaosdefined
03.30.2012 , 05:14 AM | #507
Quote: Originally Posted by livnthedream View Post
i personally prefer single server to cross server. it makes it much easier for a particular community to police itself. really it doesnt matter what system is put into place, it will be abused. the only real question is how rampant will it become, and how much damage it will cause. using both wow and rift as examples i have seen far more douchebaggery with cross server than i have in swtor and rift before lfg was added. the difference was pretty night and day.

also, in terms of actual helpfulness of cross server, statistically it only helps the low pop servers versus medium to high, which contrary to popular belief, is in a minority. as much as people want to whine about how low server pop is, according to available evidence its fairly standard across the majority of servers.
You're partially correct. It does certainly help the lower populated servers a lot more, but that's not to say it doesn't still benefit the high population servers too. A lot of them have barely any 'community' and so people still complain about getting a FP group together, especially whilst levelling.

As for the "community policing itself" idea, sorry but that doesn't hold much water. As a lot of us have explained already there was still a lot of Ninja Looting going on before LFD came in. Even now there are Guilds who are notorious for doing it. Can't get much more known than that!

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DarthKhaos
03.30.2012 , 05:45 AM | #508
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax View Post
Right, so you are just arguing to argue. I understand.

Letting people play on their own schedules is only good for the long term of the game. It is really just that simple.
I know in my case I'm arguing for the right to be able to enjoy my time outside of flashpoints with the people I meet inside em. Until we have one virtual server that we all can hop from one server to the next to hang out with the friends we make across servers I don't want a X server LFG. I don't just want another body to run flashpoints. I want to evaluate potential future friends. It's how I do it. I do the same thing for Warzones and I am also against cross server warzones.
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chaosdefined
03.30.2012 , 05:51 AM | #509
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
I know in my case I'm arguing for the right to be able to enjoy my time outside of flashpoints with the people I meet inside em. Until we have one virtual server that we all can hop from one server to the next to hang out with the friends we make across servers I don't want a X server LFG. I don't just want another body to run flashpoints. I want to evaluate potential future friends. It's how I do it. I do the same thing for Warzones and I am also against cross server warzones.
Which is fair enough, but a good amount of people aren't paying a monthly amount of money to make friends, they're paying it to see and play all the content within the game.

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Meldwyn
03.30.2012 , 05:56 AM | #510
Quote: Originally Posted by livnthedream View Post
i personally prefer single server to cross server. it makes it much easier for a particular community to police itself. really it doesnt matter what system is put into place, it will be abused. the only real question is how rampant will it become, and how much damage it will cause. using both wow and rift as examples i have seen far more douchebaggery with cross server than i have in swtor and rift before lfg was added. the difference was pretty night and day.

also, in terms of actual helpfulness of cross server, statistically it only helps the low pop servers versus medium to high, which contrary to popular belief, is in a minority. as much as people want to whine about how low server pop is, according to available evidence its fairly standard across the majority of servers.
Unfortunately, my experience in SW on a Medium server (was Heavy and Full at one time), is not real positive at this point. My little lvl 39 SI can't find a group for Foundry or Colicoid to save her life. The current system no one uses, and flagging myself and spamming /general has yielded not a single response (not even one) from any players for the past 2 or 3 times I have logged on. I try and try, then log and do something else.

Same server won't do anything for low to middle content. It might help max level content, but the leveling curve (once the initial bubble of players from launch are maxed) is no longer consistent across everyone's play time. My alt might be at lvl 22, while yours is lvl 30, and another player who we know from previous runs might be lvl 10... we aren't grouping together again until lvl 50, if then!

However, cross server solves this problem. Instead of being limited to the leveling bubble on my own server, I tap in to the entire player base which evens out the leveling curve dramatically. I have a significantly higher degree of certainty of being grouped as a result.

The only thing that would prevent cross server from working far better than same server is if the entire population of SW is too low to support it overall. WoW's works because of the vast number of players, which SW currently doesn't even touch. However, it still puts us all in a position to enjoy the content that no tool (existing) or same server tools just cannot do.
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