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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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Standel
03.30.2012 , 12:11 AM | #491
I really don't see an argument that holds water against X-server LFG.

In fact, I'd like something to be done to address not just flashpoints, but the difficulty in getting groups for heroic quests as well.

Repeatedly spamming chat for 40+ minutes each time to no avail is really getting me down. Unless there's a bored high level around, it's very hard to get a group for a Heroic 4. What's the point in putting that content if you can't experience it in the first place since NO ONE'S AROUND? So much for community.

Your group sucking because you have a bad player in it, I can take. I've been through a lot of those, at least we got through some content. But not being able to group at all because of dead servers, that's a GAME BREAKER!

Bring on X-server LFG. People can ninja all the loot they want so long as I get an opportunity just to get the commendation rewards for the dailies. Because given the state of my server, I can't even do any of those (and the server pop is Standard most of the time, I can only imagine the horror for those in light servers).

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Esproc
03.30.2012 , 12:15 AM | #492
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
Yeah, Biodrones typically think in this regard towards the issue

1) Yes I understand your server is terrible for groups, so simply re-roll to one of the many servers (all 10 of them) with a bustling population

2) Don't want to redo 3 months of effort then **** of game you don't belong here
And how long do you suppose it will take for BW/EA to finally do server merges? I am in hopes that it will be right around 1.2, but I do not know.

They opened up more servers and expanded the population limits because people were QQ over que times, and they should have waited. They did not, and now with people that chewed through the content, found the game not to their liking , and whatnot that have moved on to either new content or old, there is not enough population to sustain every server.
In this Age of Information, Ignorance is a Choice!

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Aeris_Kane
03.30.2012 , 12:15 AM | #493
So instead of making a game-wide community, let's keep this micro-managing little world tiny.

You're on a server that has no people; so sorry, looks like no FP's for you.

Seriously, you're going to tell people to re-roll their 50? All that work and effort for what then? They may as well just up and quit at that point. At least until BW puts in server x-fers or merges ... or are you against that too? Cause in theory, that would just decimate server communities.

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Reevax
03.30.2012 , 12:59 AM | #494
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
And in your words, as you say of mine, "you are just arguing to argue. I understand".

I feel that the LFD/LFR has some serious drawbacks in the way it just happens to bring out the best in people. I have experienced first hand many of the reasons that have caused my decision on this subject to be against the tool.
Ah yes, the people don't act like poop heads unless there was X-server LFD argument.

A totally invalid argument.

I use the LFD every single day and the good runs far outweigh the bad ones. People acted like idiots long before the LFD was invented. Why punish us all because you had a bad experience once? Don't like it? Don't use it.

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Kaedusz
03.30.2012 , 01:52 AM | #495
There should be no difference of opinion about what each case presents.The choice is simply between the cases.

The choice is between crappy group and going to instanses fast,or good group and going to instanses slow.
If you chose one of those,you are clearly going scrap the other one.

Of course this is when we are talking about PuGs which is the majority of the groups.

Maybe some kind of totally new improved x realm LFG tool would be nice,but not like the one in WoW please.

Maybe some kind of x realm group finder,with list of people from other realms that you can invite manualy, not x realm automated MATCH MAKING system that we see in wow.
Think about it.

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chaosdefined
03.30.2012 , 02:23 AM | #496
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
There should be no difference of opinion about what each case presents.The choice is simply between the cases.

The choice is between crappy group and going to instanses fast,or good group and going to instanses slow.
If you chose one of those,you are clearly going scrap the other one.

Of course this is when we are talking about PuGs which is the majority of the groups.

Maybe some kind of totally new improved x realm LFG tool would be nice,but not like the one in WoW please.

Maybe some kind of x realm group finder,with list of people from other realms that you can invite manualy, not x realm automated MATCH MAKING system that we see in wow.
Think about it.
What would be the improvement over choosing people from a list from other servers? You're still not going to know them?

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chaosdefined
03.30.2012 , 02:25 AM | #497
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
And in your words, as you say of mine, "you are just arguing to argue. I understand".

I feel that the LFD/LFR has some serious drawbacks in the way it just happens to bring out the best in people. I have experienced first hand many of the reasons that have caused my decision on this subject to be against the tool.
This really is all your arguments and rants boil down to, "A stranger on the internet was mean to me!".

Honestly it does suck that you've been hurt over losing Loot or a stranger being rude to you, but you shouldn't take that out on the rest of the players who are able to shrug off bad attitudes and enjoy the game.

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Nitewolfe
03.30.2012 , 02:36 AM | #498
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
There should be no difference of opinion about what each case presents.The choice is simply between the cases.

The choice is between crappy group and going to instanses fast,or good group and going to instanses slow.
If you chose one of those,you are clearly going scrap the other one.

Of course this is when we are talking about PuGs which is the majority of the groups.

Maybe some kind of totally new improved x realm LFG tool would be nice,but not like the one in WoW please.

Maybe some kind of x realm group finder,with list of people from other realms that you can invite manualy, not x realm automated MATCH MAKING system that we see in wow.
Think about it.
I dont have to think about it because i use those tools almost every day in 2 games 9 rift and wow).
Your choices are wrong!
I have many many good groups that are formed fast using those tools in those games. Actual the bad groups are so small of a percent that i couldnt really say when the last time i had a bad group was.
Your choices list all of the fast lfg cross server runs as bad and that is just untrue unless YOU went in with the attitude that it would be bad because you were already prebiased against the tool.

This is actually what i suspect is the reason for the anti cross server crowd having consistent bad runs. They went into the system fully expecting it to be bad. Probably even cause it to be bad just so they could be right about there feeling.

Today in swtor i ran my dailes and logged over to rift when my wife was ready to play some. We ran 6 cross server zones back to back with ALL of them being decent runs. DPS was a little lack luster but more than enough to get the job done (yep its nice having parsers). The wait times were about 10 or less and the break between was nice for doing daily quest.
She took a break and i logged over to wow and ran 3 lfd runs. I did experience one hiccup in wow's the tank had to leave about 10 mins into the zone. We requed and got another tank in about 7 mins and completed the run nicely. My longest wait time was about 15 mins with the other 2 being about 10 mins. Once again nice break to do dialies in.

So just how does one explain how the majority of pro cross server players experience good runs and the anti crowd seems to experience only bad ones?
To me there is only one answer and that it..... Its the player not the tool!

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Nitewolfe
03.30.2012 , 02:37 AM | #499
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
Yeah, Biodrones typically think in this regard towards the issue

1) Yes I understand your server is terrible for groups, so simply re-roll to one of the many servers (all 10 of them) with a bustling population

2) Don't want to redo 3 months of effort then **** of game you don't belong here
Rerolling doesnt always work ether.
I am on my 3rd reroll and this last one has gone from full/que time to heavy. Where do we go when none of the servers are full?

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Nitewolfe
03.30.2012 , 02:44 AM | #500
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeris_Kane View Post
So instead of making a game-wide community, let's keep this micro-managing little world tiny.

You're on a server that has no people; so sorry, looks like FP's for you.

Seriously, you're going to tell people to re-roll their 50? All that work and effort for what then? They may as well just up and quit at that point. At least until BW puts in server x-fers or merges ... or are you against that too? Cause in theory, that would just decimate server communities.
I agree this single server mind set needs to be shattered and done away with. Its high time we changed it to a game wide community!
Or at the very least a cluster of servers.
Mythic did this many years ago with daoc when their servers were in trouble. Instead of merging them they clustered them together and have some zones that were constantly merged and others where you could pick which server on the cluster you wanted to play in.

We already sort of have some of the mechanics in place with the phasing in swtor.
Cluster servers together and just have the phase list so players can pick to be in a high pop phase or a low one.
Some thing i did like from tera beta was that you could easy change from phase to phase depending on what you the player wanted. Sort of like how we could here when the zone areas were to full at launch.